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Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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The article indicates many states are beginning to supply federal agencies with biometric data including driver's license photographs. It also states a local police force (the NYPD) was a customer of a facial recognition system. How long until central databases are collecting datapoints on our whereabouts at all times, not only from mobile devices, but just the image of our faces? I don't think the founders [US-centr…

"How long until central databases are collecting datapoints on our whereabouts at all times, not only from mobile devices, but just the image of our faces?" this is a fine question - the DHS has proposed a project with the City of Oakland to prototype just such a thing, described as a combination of NSA surveillance and stop & frisk, which they call the Domain Awareness Center. Originally targeted at the port post 9/…

You're a few months out of date. Plans for this have been scaled back to the portage areas: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2014/03/05/...

While I share your dislike of the program, it's important to look at the overall scope rather just the government one. After all, you could build a pretty good automatic photo identification system on top of Facebook.

Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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The article indicates many states are beginning to supply federal agencies with biometric data including driver's license photographs. It also states a local police force (the NYPD) was a customer of a facial recognition system. How long until central databases are collecting datapoints on our whereabouts at all times, not only from mobile devices, but just the image of our faces? I don't think the founders [US-centr…

> How long until central databases are collecting datapoints on our whereabouts at all times, not only from mobile devices, but just the image of our faces?

Check out TrapWire: http://www.zdnet.com/wikileaks-uncovers-trapwire-surveillanc...

Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract data to add to the watchlists.

Hmmm, this seems like a pretty obvious vulnerability. When's the last time the CIA actually did something "secretly"? (Oooh, how would we know? Actually the last time they did something un-secretly was like a month ago, so there's a bound of sorts.) So if you do something to piss off the spooks in e.g. Russia or Israel, expect to be entered into their troll-the-CIA database, soon thereafter to be Hydra-ed into Obama's special uncategorizable tracking system.

Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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post #7

These revelations are too new to be from Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and Bruce Schneier suspect a second leaker. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/485081861119832064

So does the gov't: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/05/politics/u-s-new-leaker/index....

Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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post #4

And yesterday Australia announced that it will be pushing ahead with an ISP level data retention scheme in the name of fighting terrorism [0]. This is after last year explicitly asking for feedback on the proposal to retain Australian's internet history, and receiving countless concerned letters from the community (along with security agencies who were pushing for data retention) [1]. I suspect in a decade or so that…

Yes. Results of the poll on the Sydney Morning Herland article http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/data-s... visible at http://imgur.com/u71Keqs - 97% oppose mass surveillance.

Our 'democracy' has become non-representational. I'm honestly considering quitting my job, returning to Australia and joining the Wikileaks party.

Re: Obama's Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

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post #7

These revelations are too new to be from Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and Bruce Schneier suspect a second leaker. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/485081861119832064

Yap. This is exciting. Just like one bad thing about Snowden (and Binney) was that if public was not outraged enough, it would actually make things worse. As those who administer these programs will just get bolder and expand them. It it a little too early to decide if this effect it taking place.

But one good thing is (and I've said this before in relation to the whistleblowers) is that it will encourage more whistleblowers.

One of the apparent requirements for working at many of these 3 letter agencies is patriotism. If you show patriotism, you are a good candidate. They will spend money training you technical things, but they can't train you to be a patriot and love your country. The "problem" with such patriots is that they actually take to heart things like "Constitution", "Privacy", "Freedom" and so on. The hope of the agency is that with enough brainwashing and threats of loss of job, imprisonment, etc., these values would move to the background.

The "pragmatics" on top understand that those concepts are just there for propaganda. It is the sys admins and other mid-level analysts that might actually believe, and might just pull a Snowden so to speak once in a while.

NSA understood this and immediately went into self-preservation mode. They probably never even thought along the lines of "OMG we have let the public down, we have screwed up, etc etc.", rather they saw it as, we are not threatening and controlling our employees enough. So instead of spying less on our own citizens, we should institute "no-lone-zones" (like nuclear silos have), so you are together with an accountabil-a-buddy who is supposed to snitch on you if you do something silly.

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