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Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

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Post by mijoharas »

milliams wrote: post #5
Game_Ender wrote: post #2

Is this openSUSE only, or can you build packages for other distributions with this service? It's hard to tell from their documentation or website. EDIT: The openSUSE instance [0] says: The openSUSE Build Service is the public instance of the Open Build Service (OBS) used for development of the openSUSE distribution and to offer packages from same source for Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE Linux Enterprise and other dist…

I've used it in the past to build software for openSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, Arch and more. For example, the owncloud package is built for a whole load (list on the right of [1]) and can provide a download page like [2]. [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/isv:ownCloud:communi... [2] http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=isv%3Aown...

Can you actually build for Arch with this? I can't see an option for this, (thinking it might be a typo of yours). In addition, I'm trying to figure out how it works, what form do you need to upload the package as?

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

#12

Post by hennevogel »

mijoharas wrote: post #11
milliams wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used it in the past to build software for openSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, Arch and more. For example, the owncloud package is built for a whole load (list on the right of [1]) and can provide a download page like [2]. [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/isv:ownCloud:communi... [2] http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=isv%3Aown...

Can you actually build for Arch with this? I can't see an option for this, (thinking it might be a typo of yours). In addition, I'm trying to figure out how it works, what form do you need to upload the package as?

Yes you can. And for debian, ubuntu, fedora, RHEL, SLES, CentOS, UCS. Of course all of them in multiple versions and in X86, X86_64, ARM, s390, PPC.

Have a look here

https://build.opensuse.org/project/add_repository_from_defau...

for a (shortened) list of popular distros the OBS supports.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

#13

Post by m_rcin »

rlpb wrote: post #10
m_rcin wrote: post #4

I use OBS to provide Linux packages of the latest version of my project for multiple Linux distros. Because of the release cycle Linux distros usually come with older versions of the program, so when the user reports a problem it's handy to have an easy way for her to update and try the latest version. (Compilation from sources is not an easy way) I spent many hours to write a spec file portable enough to build on Op…

That's a very selective quote. You failed to quote the very next sentence: "But we can see the benefits of encouraging developers to factor both Ubuntu and Debian into their packaging efforts, so we're open to that." > This is in contrast with Canonical refusing to build packages for Debian... False, as demonstrated by reading the full quote. There is no refusal there, just resource allocation in sorting out the infr…

OK, it was a selective quote and there was no refusal. Ubuntu developers just want to fix first all the bugs that matter for Ubuntu users (which is as distant now as 5 years ago, in practice it's the same as refusal).

So there is a contrast. Ubuntu devs haven't made what would be a nice gesture toward their upstream distro. OTOH SUSE provides resources for building packages for several unrelated distros.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

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Post by hennevogel »

zimbatm wrote: post #7
m_rcin wrote: post #4

I use OBS to provide Linux packages of the latest version of my project for multiple Linux distros. Because of the release cycle Linux distros usually come with older versions of the program, so when the user reports a problem it's handy to have an easy way for her to update and try the latest version. (Compilation from sources is not an easy way) I spent many hours to write a spec file portable enough to build on Op…

OBS looks great but somehow I always get hung at the learning phase. Is there some pointers that you recommend for new users to build their own packages ?

Have you tried to follow the simple video tutorial?

http://vimeo.com/30550722

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

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Post by TallGuyShort »

The SUSE engineers and community really make some fantastic tools. I was a long-time openSUSE user but I found the package repositories were not so well maintained and eventually I switched away, but tools like Zypper (the only mainstream Linux package manager that gives you fine-grained control on what to do if a package dependency cannot be fulfilled - a pet peeve of mine on Debian systems), SUSEStudio (web service for interactively building Linux appliances, Live CDs, etc) and it's back-end Kiwi, etc. - really very cool stuff.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

#16

Post by milliams »

mijoharas wrote: post #11
milliams wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used it in the past to build software for openSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, Arch and more. For example, the owncloud package is built for a whole load (list on the right of [1]) and can provide a download page like [2]. [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/isv:ownCloud:communi... [2] http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=isv%3Aown...

Can you actually build for Arch with this? I can't see an option for this, (thinking it might be a typo of yours). In addition, I'm trying to figure out how it works, what form do you need to upload the package as?

Yes you can. You just need a tarball and a PKGBUILD file. There's one downside in that in the official Arch repos, the sourcecode is just defined as a download link to the tarball but since the OBS builder can't access the internet (for security I guess) you have to provide a tarball yourself. The Build Service does however provide hooks for automatically downloading tarballs or grabbing code from version control systems.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

#17

Post by rlpb »

m_rcin wrote: post #13
rlpb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very selective quote. You failed to quote the very next sentence: "But we can see the benefits of encouraging developers to factor both Ubuntu and Debian into their packaging efforts, so we're open to that." > This is in contrast with Canonical refusing to build packages for Debian... False, as demonstrated by reading the full quote. There is no refusal there, just resource allocation in sorting out the infr…

OK, it was a selective quote and there was no refusal. Ubuntu developers just want to fix first all the bugs that matter for Ubuntu users (which is as distant now as 5 years ago, in practice it's the same as refusal). So there is a contrast. Ubuntu devs haven't made what would be a nice gesture toward their upstream distro. OTOH SUSE provides resources for building packages for several unrelated distros.

> Ubuntu devs haven't made what would be a nice gesture toward their upstream distro.

They make nice gestures toward their upstream distro all the time, just not this one, for which they have said that code contributions are welcome. 3913 nice gestures (in the form of patches) are logged at http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_usertag.cgi, for example.

> OTOH SUSE provides resources for building packages for several unrelated distros.

Sure, and Ubuntu has chosen to focus contributions in other areas. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

One issue here is that the build infrastructure around Launchpad is (presumably) designed around securely building packages for a single distribution. To support other distributions, it seems to me that it would need some mechanism for users to supply their own chroots, or some other way of maintaining those chroots. This is quite different from the Debian builder model, which is designed around third party build contributions. I imagine (I don't know) that this affects the amount of effort required to make this all work on Launchpad. Remember that PPA support was added in later, not present from the start (http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-... looks like the original announcement).

On the other hand, as far as I understand SUSE designed their system to be able to handle several unrelated distros from the beginning. That presumably made it easier for them to do it.

I don't think it's fair to complain that X won't expend resources on something but Y will, when the amount of resource required by X and Y may differ quite considerably.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

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Post by mijoharas »

hennevogel wrote: post #12
mijoharas wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you actually build for Arch with this? I can't see an option for this, (thinking it might be a typo of yours). In addition, I'm trying to figure out how it works, what form do you need to upload the package as?

Yes you can. And for debian, ubuntu, fedora, RHEL, SLES, CentOS, UCS. Of course all of them in multiple versions and in X86, X86_64, ARM, s390, PPC. Have a look here https://build.opensuse.org/project/add_repository_from_defau... for a (shortened) list of popular distros the OBS supports.

Thanks, I was trying to find a list like that, I guess my searching let me down.

Re: Open Build Service by openSUSE

#20

Post by mijoharas »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #15

The SUSE engineers and community really make some fantastic tools. I was a long-time openSUSE user but I found the package repositories were not so well maintained and eventually I switched away, but tools like Zypper (the only mainstream Linux package manager that gives you fine-grained control on what to do if a package dependency cannot be fulfilled - a pet peeve of mine on Debian systems), SUSEStudio (web service…

Out of interest, what did you switch to? Debian?
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