Earlier quoted context omitted.
They certainly do; there's just no guarantee that the military will make use of them in an appropriate technical position.
Trans hackers and people who use illicit drugs most certainly do not, and until recently, LGB people.
In secret cyberwar game, reservist techies pummel miltary cyberwarriors
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#22>Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines?
We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control)
>Hackers don't sign up for active duty military.
They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't want to put up with the bullshit or separate after their first enlistment and quadruple their salary.
Basically the problem with the military is that they won't (or can't) pay enough to retain any of the talent they have and are unwilling to compensate for the low salary by changing the "culture" they've developed over the last century.
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#23This doesn't seem quite right. It says reservists. They may also have roles in civilian life, but they are also part of the Military. That seems a bit deceptive in the title.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's a creativity-driven field that moves quickly, evolves hourly, and requires intellectual agility. That does describe what is expected of military members in combat operations, so it isn't like the military shouldn't be able to apply that philosophy to this area. I would think the issue is that the "cyberwarfare" group is new and so is being run like an ordinary technical unit, which means procedures and process…
>That does describe what is expected of military members in combat operations Isn't the tactical playbook set On High? Obviously you need to react to a changing situation in combat, but wouldn't the standard responses to various situations be planned/tested/approved and then turned into training material by some central authority? Or is that sort of thing more up to officers in the field?
The Soviet military used that system, including algorithms to determine which tactical approach to apply. Western military's have long focused on small unit initiative and rewarding novel tactics. A wartime military is the ultimate meritocracy.
Even in WWI, which is often stereotyped as stupid generals sending men walking into machine gun fire, there was a huge amount of tactical innovation from the lower levels (by 1917 they had developed the small unit tactics we still use today).
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#25So I can off some first hand perspective here. >Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines? We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) >Hackers don't sign up for active duty military. They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't wa…
Yap. Dealing with the military as a customer I have definitely have seen red tape that goes beyond reasonable for security and actually downright counter-productive (the steps needed to jump through to "secure" a box, many are wasteful, antiquated, yet some obvious ones are not mentioned.
There are things like "tcpdump must not be installed". So debugging is a pain, so then fine, I'll just use a python wrapper around libpcap then.
Some of the password policies are odd, don't remember exactly but requiring large passwords made of random gibberish instead of long pass phrases just make people write them posted notes and carrying them in their wallets.
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#26So I can off some first hand perspective here. >Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines? We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) >Hackers don't sign up for active duty military. They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't wa…
These are all problems that are slowly working their way up the policy chains. E.g. RAND has put out a very good study on all this, http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR430.html that discusses the challenges with public sector/military hiring (and retention).
It may yet have to come down to putting the effort heavily on the Reserves though, because for all the other things the military can change, I don't see culture as being one of them. Even the legendarily free-wheeling communities like submarines and fighter aviation deal with red tape and subsuming egos to the team.
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#27This doesn't seem quite right. It says reservists. They may also have roles in civilian life, but they are also part of the Military. That seems a bit deceptive in the title.
If American reservists are expected to become a more critical component/dependency for US full-time cyberwarfare defensive or offensive capabilities, would this lead in any way to more time asked of reserve forces at least until internal military specialists are considered to be on par with their civilian and reservist counterparts? I'm curious if reservists deemed to have critical skills would be called upon to act…
Yes, that is certainly possible. The whole "1 weekend a month, 2 week a year" thing died with the World Trade Center. While Reserve units certainly try to maximize flexibility to try from interfering with their reservists work balance, getting called up unexpectedly (even for a period of months) is not that unusual if/when shit hits the fan somewhere.
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#28So I can off some first hand perspective here. >Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines? We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) >Hackers don't sign up for active duty military. They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't wa…
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#29So I can off some first hand perspective here. >Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines? We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) >Hackers don't sign up for active duty military. They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't wa…
> We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) Yap. Dealing with the military as a customer I have definitely have seen red tape that goes beyond reasonable for security and actually downright counter-productive (the steps needed to jump through to "secure" a box, many are wasteful, antiquated, yet some obvious ones are not mentioned. There are things like "tcpdump…
Must be nice, last government SOC I worked in, we could only script with powershell 1.0 installed. Sadly, that was just a year ago.
We had tcpdump and Wireshark, but we weren't allowed to capture anything with it.
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#30So I can off some first hand perspective here. >Do the military "cyberwarriors" even have local admin rights on their machines? We don't, hell I don't even have access to some of the basic tools I need (i.e. version control) >Hackers don't sign up for active duty military. They do, I've met the smartest people I know in the military . The hacker types never stay though they either get kicked out because they don't wa…
> Basically the problem with the military is that they won't (or can't) pay enough to retain any of the talent they have and are unwilling to compensate for the low salary by changing the "culture" they've developed over the last century. These are all problems that are slowly working their way up the policy chains. E.g. RAND has put out a very good study on all this, http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR430.h…
It doesn't matter that the problems are working their way up the policy chains if they are only going to die when they get to the top. You yourself admitted that they are unlikely to change the culture, and we both know they aren't about to pay a competitive wage to the military. Unfortunately, that leaves us with things exactly the way they are now.
The military likes to talk about starting to take various issues seriously, yet it is an exceptionally rare occasion when they actually do.