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Design culture is a frozen shithole

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Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #30

I am tired of seeing these takedowns of the same things with no broader structural critique. It has become a piece of groupthink now to decry the flowery language in acquisition announcements, flat design, whimsical/pointless products, greed, etc. But no examination of why things are this way, or what might change them. Disappointing.

Do you have thoughts as to why things are this way? I'd genuinely love to discuss them (and it sounds like you would too).

The reason is Google. Bear with me.

Ask most people to name the second largest search engine, and they'll draw a blank. Google is the alpha and omega. This means that most tech and tech-adjacent business like media is at the whims of Google's search results.

So with the modern internet, as far as consumers go, it's mostly winner-takes all. This trickles all the way through to everything else, including VC investment, "disruption", and cargo-cult design. If you're not following the current zeitgeist you're kind of left in the dark.

As for solutions, I don't think they'll come from designers. You can't ask the soldiers to just stop warring. It's a systemic problem and requires a systemic solution.

I don't see people understanding this or rallying together to combat it anytime soon, so I think it will end like most wars do. One side wins and writes the history books to make it all seem obvious in retrospect.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #7

This would be a lot more convincing if it explained exactly what is wrong with the designs he dismisses and even more so if it offered a few examples of the kind of design he'd like to see instead.

Worse still, he starts with "design needs to stop with the feel-good bullshit", but ends with a bunch of save-the-world feel-good bullshit.

The fact that Silicon Valley has not solved the world's problems goes far far deeper than design, we're talking about fundamental problems of shareholder driven, Tayloristic style capitalism.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #7

This would be a lot more convincing if it explained exactly what is wrong with the designs he dismisses and even more so if it offered a few examples of the kind of design he'd like to see instead.

The designs he dismisses are props.

Citing specific details would be begging for an immediate derailment directly into the sort details that are directly opposed to the larger point:

>'We don’t need more superficial solutions to superficial problems. We need real answers to real problems — big ones and small ones.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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Isn't this more of the very same smarmy navel gazing bullshit OP has taken up arms against? There are plenty of designers doing meaningful work in various fields. The big red flag in this article is the implicit bullshit! Who said design is for social change? Political disruption? What if design is just making these buttons look good so 10 year olds can Snapchat more better? Whos to decide whats a real world problem and whats not?

Jeez, its gotten to the point where I balk when introducing myself as a designer.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #11

"There was once a time when design was a vehicle for social change, for political disruption, for speaking up and giving a big “fuck you” to the status quo." I'm tempted to just say "no there wasn't." There were good designs during times of social change. Feels that this is a general "rising tide lifts all boats" situation, though. Probably more accurate to say survivor bias. That is, I find it hard to believe that t…

John Heartfield? I suppose that falls into your 'design during social change' category.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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Wait, why are we attacking flat buttons, rounded borders, and non-gradient backgrounds when it's the incestuous nature of ideas in the Valley that's really the problem. I mean, in the article, the guy spends time at the beginning puking flat-rainbows, then goes on (much later) to say the real problem is that we're not being humanitarian or actually useful enough.

While I agree the next best share-your-photo-and-or-chat app is all another sack of shit and you're a shill if you or your company is working on such an app, I don't see why or how it make sense to attack san-serif fonts, plain backgrounds, or flat buttons. Compared to the real concern that the stuff we build doesn't help our users make more money, find meaning, discover long term happiness, or really do anything other than get them addicted to wasting their time, the existence and popularity of flat buttons and thumbnail carousels just don't seem like problems at all.

Another thing, why this obsession with "saying 'fuck you' to the status quo?" This is 2014 and we're all adults (maybe), why are we still so obsessed with this rhetoric of disruption, competition, and being a general nuisance? What happened to the entrepreneur who says stuff like "Oh hey, it looks like those guys in the trucking industry have a lot down time between jobs, let me build this service to help all the trucking companies find stuff to load everywhere so they make more money." Unless you're either our RoR overlord DHH, or the latest incarnation of Dante from DMC, no one builds a successful company by saying "Fuck you" to everyone.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and that is almost exactly survivor bias. It isn't that they were more engaged as a whole. The ones that we talk about were.

Ehhh, yeah, sort of. There were far less people who could call themselves designers at the time. It was a slower craft and took more training. It's like in music. Yeah, there were other bands other than the Beatles and Rolling Stones, but it was harder to produce and distribute music back then. Thus, the industry was more monolithic than it is now. The ones we talk about now are more representative of the state of th…

There may have been less people that would call themselves designers, but I would wager it is still larger than the body of folks you and this link have in mind.

Further, and here is where it is exactly survivor bias. You have to show that there weren't other people trying to be designers. That the ones you are focusing on are the ones that were successfully doing it, is what makes it survivor bias.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #11

"There was once a time when design was a vehicle for social change, for political disruption, for speaking up and giving a big “fuck you” to the status quo." I'm tempted to just say "no there wasn't." There were good designs during times of social change. Feels that this is a general "rising tide lifts all boats" situation, though. Probably more accurate to say survivor bias. That is, I find it hard to believe that t…

John Heartfield? I suppose that falls into your 'design during social change' category.

And the survivor bias. Do you really think there were no other folks doing design work back then? Remember, the claim is that design as a whole was more instrumental in social change and whatnot.

For that to be true, every other person doing design back then would have had to have been just as political.

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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Two quotes from OA

"if you can’t find an honest-to-goodness, human-centric, non-rich-white-person problem to solve, even if in your spare time and without financial reward, then perhaps design is not a field you should be working in."

and

"(For the record, I’d consider designing flyers for your local corner store better than what’s touted as ‘design’ in the Valley.)"

I live in a non-white area in a city a long way from the 'valley'. We have local printers who do flyers rather well. I get plenty through my door advertising everything from pizza to halal Chinese food through spiritual enlightenment.

And we have designers who are non-white as well as designers who are white, and clients who are non-white and clients who are white. There seems to be plenty of good basic communication and design going on.

Has OP read Lee McCormack's work (and not the books about bikes)?

Re: Design culture is a frozen shithole

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John Heartfield? I suppose that falls into your 'design during social change' category.

And the survivor bias. Do you really think there were no other folks doing design work back then? Remember, the claim is that design as a whole was more instrumental in social change and whatnot. For that to be true, every other person doing design back then would have had to have been just as political.

Fair enough, I can't win that one given the huge amount of material produced in commercial print over the last century.

A few more survivors: John Gutmann, Tom Harrison, Humphrey Spender, Lee Miller.

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