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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by guard-of-terra »

jamespo wrote: post #105
guard-of-terra wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and Gazans are not Israeli citizens" And what country are they citizens of? Does that country provide them with freedom of unmolested cross-border travel, commerce and stuff? Unless there's a clear answer to those questions Israel is going to be a poster country with ghetto problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_State_of_Palestine

Cool, but what kind of de facto sovereignity does it have? Does it have a sea port? An international airport? Transport corridor beween two its parts?

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by guard-of-terra »

julie1 wrote: post #102
guard-of-terra wrote: post #76

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If we're talking very rich, there shouldn't be too many of them. I mean, how many people know the mayor? This isn't even a class. Still doesn't add up to me.

Well, I am not sure what very rich are. I am quite not sure of the definition of rich. Let's say privileged people. For instance, if you want to have degree in order to practice accountability or being a pharmacist, or being notaire, or being a lawyer then you need a practical internship. Since there is a limited amount of position offered, then being a «son of a» de facto gives you some priviledges that will transla…

The main question is: How do cops perceive difference between "rich and influental" kids and just "well off" kids.

Because latter are much more frequent, and you may mess with them. And it's not like the difference is apparent.

Is the scare of running into an influental kid so strong that they avoid all well off kids entirely? Because, you know, influental kids may look like anyone. You never know.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by jotm »

StavrosK wrote: post #109
jotm wrote: post #107

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What I mean is that they've already decided to mug you, they'll take that phone whether it's locked or not, whether they know it or not ( "maybe we can get our computer guy to unlock it!" ). On the other hand, having the phone send out photos and GPS coordinates is a much better idea, and it's been proven to work.

Sure, in this specific instance, they may do that. However, after stealing phones that turn out to be unusable (and pretty much something that will lead the police right to them), they will stop mugging people.

Oh, OK, that indeed makes sense.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by lotsofmangos »

sehr wrote: post #62
collyw wrote: post #53

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Buckfast Tonic Wine. Are you a Weegie? Yeah, getting intimidated by neds was part of my growing up. You learn how to show them enough respect not to annoy them, without looking wimpish enough for you to be an easy target. Some people must have proper sheltered lives.

Some people must have proper sheltered lives. It is a software dominated forum. This is just an anecdote, but I'd guess >80% of the developers I have met are from comfortably middle - upper middle class families/areas.

So they don't like the bucky?

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by BugBrother »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #84
bluedino wrote: post #55

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>> I shrugged, walked to the next wagon and called the police. I gave up when I realised they weren't interested in hearing which subway line I was on and what time, so they could meet up with it. Your other option is the police in the USA -

Your other option is: you press a button in a wagon, ask to call the cops to the wagon with problematic passenger, and on the next station cop patrol is already there on the platform waiting eagerly. And the issue pretty much dies right there. Come on, it's totally doable, isn't it? P. S. I understand that usage of the word "wagon" makes native english speakers' heads explode.

The term is "Swenglish". I am losing control. My Swedish use as much US/English idioms as my English use Swedish idioms. :-(

tunnelbana == tunnel + path/track

tunnelbanevagn == subway car.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by BugBrother »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #111
jamespo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_State_of_Palestine

Cool, but what kind of de facto sovereignity does it have? Does it have a sea port? An international airport? Transport corridor beween two its parts?

Those would probably have existed by now, without the terror.

As I've read about it:

People were commuting from both the West Bank and Gaza into Israel to work, before the terrorism got too bad.

People in Israel used to go with their cars to have them fixed in Gaza. And so on.

After the Intifadas stopped all that, Israel had a depression. And had to start to get more work force from somewhere where they weren't taught with their mothers milk to hate Jews.

A bad loss for everyone. (And insane from the outside viewpoint, where these cultures look quite similar.)

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by collyw »

sehr wrote: post #62
collyw wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buckfast Tonic Wine. Are you a Weegie? Yeah, getting intimidated by neds was part of my growing up. You learn how to show them enough respect not to annoy them, without looking wimpish enough for you to be an easy target. Some people must have proper sheltered lives.

Some people must have proper sheltered lives. It is a software dominated forum. This is just an anecdote, but I'd guess >80% of the developers I have met are from comfortably middle - upper middle class families/areas.

You can see by the replies that they think this sort of thing is unacceptable. It is in a way, but it doesn't stop it being the norm for many, many people growing up. And that's in a developed country. Some kids are growing up in war zones.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by julie1 »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #112
julie1 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I am not sure what very rich are. I am quite not sure of the definition of rich. Let's say privileged people. For instance, if you want to have degree in order to practice accountability or being a pharmacist, or being notaire, or being a lawyer then you need a practical internship. Since there is a limited amount of position offered, then being a «son of a» de facto gives you some priviledges that will transla…

The main question is: How do cops perceive difference between "rich and influental" kids and just "well off" kids. Because latter are much more frequent, and you may mess with them. And it's not like the difference is apparent. Is the scare of running into an influental kid so strong that they avoid all well off kids entirely? Because, you know, influental kids may look like anyone. You never know.

It has been studied: http://www.cnrs.fr/inshs/recherche/facies.htm

Criteria by order of importance: colour of skins mainly, sex, dressing.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by julie1 »

Papirola wrote: post #91
julie1 wrote: post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

> I quite loaded the end of my description so that you have an overview of how the conflict in Israel can spread to other cities in Europa. Wow. How do you manage to bring Israel into this is beyond my comprehension. 1. can you please describe the mechanism by which the Israeli conflict "spreads" ? 2. Gaza is not a ghetto of Israel, and Gazans are not Israeli citizens. 3. Israel has people of all colors and even thou…

Sorry, at the time my ancestor Isaac Aaron asked for the freedom of religion for the jewish people in Sweden, I think he did not quite care what was the politically correct way of saying jews had no right to practice their religion.

And I don't make a parallel on the political situation (you know you can read something to the end) but on the social AND topological situation: lack of mixity between two populations + reduced geographically speaking capacity of moving for the poorest + obvious signs of discrimination = what we call in our slang ghettoisation)

I suggest that the political situation just aggravates a socio economical situation that already have the same effects everywhere in the world.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by julie1 »

aikah wrote: post #57
julie1 wrote: post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

I'm a black person from Paris,raised in the banlieue but I dont live in France anymore,except for the holidays to see my family. I think that things are so polarized in France.It's to late to fix anything. I have a big issue with cops. They clearly dont control anything anymore so all they end up doing is bothering passersby. They are just useless.No body respect them,so in return they dont respect people either. Eve…

I think you are right that the situation is so polarized it seems impossible to fix. And every one is indeed distrusting everyone on a per community basis (sex, sexuality, money, culture, religion...) with so many communities that they even distrust themselves amongst communities.

But, I am very optimistic by nature, so I have good hopes for the future.

To be honest, I was not bornt an accepting person without prejudice. I might have been a little obnoxious teen with a lot of prejudices (it goes without saying I was kind of racist without noticing it). But, I think education and experiencing what I lived where not quite bad actually.

It opened my eyes, and made me quite a better man. If it happens to me, it can happen to every one eventually.

So let's hope together :)

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