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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by judk »

spacefight wrote: post #50
julie1 wrote: post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

"It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents." Part of the process of becoming an adult is to learn how we, as a societey can work ourselves up, so that robberies are not a necessity or a regularity, at all.

And here we have the distinction between reality and wishful thinking

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by sehr »

collyw wrote: post #53
lotsofmangos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't familiar with the advert till I just looked it up. But no, I have to say, that if I am feeling pretentious, I would have to claim to be more Churchillian in my tastes. What really sets you up for breakfast is some Carlsberg Special Brew, washed down with a nice glass of Buckfast Tonic Wine.

Buckfast Tonic Wine. Are you a Weegie? Yeah, getting intimidated by neds was part of my growing up. You learn how to show them enough respect not to annoy them, without looking wimpish enough for you to be an easy target. Some people must have proper sheltered lives.

Some people must have proper sheltered lives.

It is a software dominated forum. This is just an anecdote, but I'd guess >80% of the developers I have met are from comfortably middle - upper middle class families/areas.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by praptak »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #47
julie1 wrote: post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

"Rich kids are out of reach of the law" Why is that, I wonder? Most rich kids still don't have enough leverage to mess with a cop, do they? How rich are we talking?

Connections-rich: father knows the mayor. Money rich: can hire a good lawyer. (The lawyer knows the mayor.)

The rich kids don't have to mess with cops. The cops know not to mess with them.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by dm2 »

michaelochurch wrote: post #60
Spearchucker wrote: post #26

Krav Maga. First thing it teaches you is to stay away from areas where something like this is possible. The next thing they teach you is to run away. If you think you'll look like a coward, compare that feeling to having a knife in your arm. If none of that works out for you, they teach you how to defend yourself. Brutally. Even how to extricate your wrist or arm from a grab. Physical size and strength (yours and you…

I see this as a basic life skill While self-defense is a useful skill, there isn't a good way to practice actual street fighting except to actually do it. (Martial arts sparring is not the same thing.) And, in street fights, even if you're skilled, you can die. So it's best to avoid the context in which those skills are gained. The only sane option is to avoid street fights whenever possible. Give the lessons some ti…

I've never even considered a decoy wallet, that's a good idea.

I often think about how much of a hassle it would be to cancel all credit cards, get new IDs, and replace everything in my wallet.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by judk »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #38
rhblake wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that this is (obviously) not a general directive in Sweden but rather about certain types of crimes in certain poor, problematic areas where distrust of police (and other government agencies) is very high.

Anyway this isn't a solution to anything. What do they want, create their own Gaza out of those problematic areas?

Ready and waiting to hear your solution.

guard-of-terra for Mayor!

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by krapp »

michaelochurch wrote: post #60
Spearchucker wrote: post #26

Krav Maga. First thing it teaches you is to stay away from areas where something like this is possible. The next thing they teach you is to run away. If you think you'll look like a coward, compare that feeling to having a knife in your arm. If none of that works out for you, they teach you how to defend yourself. Brutally. Even how to extricate your wrist or arm from a grab. Physical size and strength (yours and you…

I see this as a basic life skill While self-defense is a useful skill, there isn't a good way to practice actual street fighting except to actually do it. (Martial arts sparring is not the same thing.) And, in street fights, even if you're skilled, you can die. So it's best to avoid the context in which those skills are gained. The only sane option is to avoid street fights whenever possible. Give the lessons some ti…

>No martial art makes it safe to deal with a guy with a weapon. Even an idiot with a knife or a brick can get lucky.

Yep. If someone approaches you with a gun or a knife, and your opponent is actually willing to shoot or stab you, even a black belt is probably getting stabbed or shot. The best defense is always to not be there at all. Though sometimes that's not an option (but more often than not, it is.)

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by judk »

Spearchucker wrote: post #31
rb2k_ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of a stretch to call that a "basic life skill". In my last 30 years, I never had to fight anyone or differentiate a Monet from a Van Gough or a Beethoven from a Rachmaninoff. Then again, I don't life in crime heavy neighbourhoods or go to dinner parties that fancy. Maybe that's something for the next 30.

I understand that not everyone lives the same kind of life, so have a look at this - it's full of seemingly inane or useless skills some consider basic life skills: http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Gentleman-2nd-Edition/dp/16... I'm interested in these things because I can't predict the future, but like to prepare for it. Also because knowing how to mix a drink or who composed Peter and the Wolf makes for interesting…

Basic life skills for the upper crust, coasting through life on privilege and shibboleth.

Statistically speaking, not interesting or relevant to almost anyone, and a net drag on society in general.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by BugBrother »

rhblake wrote: post #23
seivan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that's Sweden for you. Actually recently the cops have been told not to engage when a crime is occurring, and instead just to take notes. They don't want riots. A week ago a riot occurred in Rinkeby (islamic enclave) when a cop stopped a speeding car.

It should be noted that this is (obviously) not a general directive in Sweden but rather about certain types of crimes in certain poor, problematic areas where distrust of police (and other government agencies) is very high.

The real problem is that this is how criminals can create a "no go" area for the police.

That is the first step to ghettos controlled by criminals. So Sweden seems to go the way of Brazil's favelas. Note that Brazil is going the other way, finally. :-(

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by lgieron »

slowmotiony wrote: post #3

That's not the police I know, and I've been living in Poland for 24 years now.

Also, and I've been living in Poland for my whole live (33 years now), must have met or read about tens of thousands of people by now, and have never encountered anyone named Elmer.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by hypertexthero »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #25
cpks wrote: post #24

I wish we had cops like this in Cambridge, MA. Whenever I've reported a crime, or seen people report a crime, the police can't be bothered...

You may want to temper that desire with the thought that it does sound as though, motivated as they were, the police did about the same as the original thugs, to a variety of other people, without finding anyone. edit - The German general Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord was quoted as saying; "I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are comb…

I've recently [experienced][1] the latter type of policeman here in Rome.

[1]: http://simongriffee.com/notebook/police-aggression-coercion-...

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