Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
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Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
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Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#2Spying and hacking is the bread and butter of foreign policy. This should come as no surprise to anyone.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#3I'm most likley going to be down-voted into oblivion and called "anti-semetic" even though i'm half semitc.
A really serious question, why is it our job to continue to support Israel? They continue to humiliate John Kerry and Obama. It seems like a one sided deal. We continue to give them whatever they want. And we get absolutely nothing back in return.
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Edit: Hmm, I wonder why this post was shot down so fast.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#4I'm shocked--shocked--that the Mossad would dare to spy on a foreign official.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#5I'm most likley going to be down-voted into oblivion and called "anti-semetic" even though i'm half semitc. A really serious question, why is it our job to continue to support Israel? They continue to humiliate John Kerry and Obama. It seems like a one sided deal. We continue to give them whatever they want. And we get absolutely nothing back in return. --- Edit: Hmm, I wonder why this post was shot down so fast.
It mostly has to do with Congressional politics, and some electoral politics, too (with Florida being one of the largest swing states and having a significant bloc of pro-Israel voters). As long as politicians get elected by supporting Israel, that's what US policy will be... even if it's not in the nation's interest.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#6I'm most likley going to be down-voted into oblivion and called "anti-semetic" even though i'm half semitc. A really serious question, why is it our job to continue to support Israel? They continue to humiliate John Kerry and Obama. It seems like a one sided deal. We continue to give them whatever they want. And we get absolutely nothing back in return. --- Edit: Hmm, I wonder why this post was shot down so fast.
It mostly has to do with Congressional politics, and some electoral politics, too (with Florida being one of the largest swing states and having a significant bloc of pro-Israel voters). As long as politicians get elected by supporting Israel, that's what US policy will be... even if it's not in the nation's interest.
Very good point. It seems to be that they pump in millions to our politicians and get back billions. Millions to billions scheme that ends up causing us a world of headache.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
It mostly has to do with Congressional politics, and some electoral politics, too (with Florida being one of the largest swing states and having a significant bloc of pro-Israel voters). As long as politicians get elected by supporting Israel, that's what US policy will be... even if it's not in the nation's interest.
Very good point. It seems to be that they pump in millions to our politicians and get back billions. Millions to billions scheme that ends up causing us a world of headache.
I don't think this will stop, thats just me being pessimist.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#8I'm most likley going to be down-voted into oblivion and called "anti-semetic" even though i'm half semitc. A really serious question, why is it our job to continue to support Israel? They continue to humiliate John Kerry and Obama. It seems like a one sided deal. We continue to give them whatever they want. And we get absolutely nothing back in return. --- Edit: Hmm, I wonder why this post was shot down so fast.
Because we are getting things back in return. Israel is a nuclear state with good relations with us. US has weapons contracts which help defend Israel... one of the very very few countries that the US exports to. Culturally and historically, the state of Israel was established by the Allies post WW2. So there is a moral obligation as well for the Allies (US, France, UK, etc. etc.) to watch out for what Israel does today.
Ultimately, Israel is a bastion for Western values in the middle east. They take a lot of flak (suicide bombs, etc. etc.) that would be otherwise aimed at Europeans or Americans. Its super-practical for the US to keep Israel strong.
Imagine if you will when ISIS establishes itself as a pseudo-country. Do you think ISIS will be more concerned with Israel (who have a military within marching distance), or with Europeans / Americans that they've sworn to destroy half-way around the world? Who will they attack first?
Besides, if Israel falls, their nuclear stockpile will cause some major issues.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
It mostly has to do with Congressional politics, and some electoral politics, too (with Florida being one of the largest swing states and having a significant bloc of pro-Israel voters). As long as politicians get elected by supporting Israel, that's what US policy will be... even if it's not in the nation's interest.
Very good point. It seems to be that they pump in millions to our politicians and get back billions. Millions to billions scheme that ends up causing us a world of headache.
Russia, UK, Israel, every country has lobbyists in the US.
This isn't a problem with their countries, its a problem with our country. Democracy is extremely open to infiltration. Getting rid of Israel won't stop the Russian or Chinese spies who are also lobbying our politicians.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-10-russian-spies-arrested-in...
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2005/09/13/6554/china-steps-i...
Deal with it. Its the weakness we accept because we choose to be a democracy. We try to have open and transparent government. Naturally, we are going to be weak against foreign infiltration. "Stopping" Israel will do nothing to shore up our defenses.
Re: Israel spied on John Kerry during peace effort – report
#10Ah, normal telephone lines. No news here, then.