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Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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It's always hilarious to see arguments that people fixing up a run down neighborhood is terrible. That improvement is unfair to the people who ran it down or didn't own anything there to begin with. Let's just have things stay crappy and life will be fair to all.

It's always depressing to see casual dismissals based on the just-world fallacy and misrepresentation.

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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post #9

It's always hilarious to see arguments that people fixing up a run down neighborhood is terrible. That improvement is unfair to the people who ran it down or didn't own anything there to begin with. Let's just have things stay crappy and life will be fair to all.

shaftoe, as a thought experiment consider why the neighborhood is run down. Did the people run down the neighborhood because that's what they like? How was the economic situation for these people? How were the schools, the hospitals, the law enforcement? Was there housing discrimination? How were their politicians? What was the funding like compared to other neighborhoods?

In other words, how was the neighborhood before it was crappy and how did it become so?

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This article conveniently sashays around the real effects of gentrification due to the "entitlement" mentality of the more recent newcomers.

For example, I heard of a neighborhood ballpark that was used for decades by Latino children to play ball. The newcomers with dogs would chuck their dog's droppings over the fence and onto the ballpark.

Latinos who used to play dominos outside at another park. Until they were continually harassed by cops to stop gathering in a public area to play dominos. Seems like the newcomers didn't like the bodega feel when they were out walking their dogs.

See also: "Inside the Barista Class"

http://www.theawl.com/2014/03/the-service-economy-trap-insid...

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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post #9

It's always hilarious to see arguments that people fixing up a run down neighborhood is terrible. That improvement is unfair to the people who ran it down or didn't own anything there to begin with. Let's just have things stay crappy and life will be fair to all.

shaftoe, as a thought experiment consider why the neighborhood is run down. Did the people run down the neighborhood because that's what they like? How was the economic situation for these people? How were the schools, the hospitals, the law enforcement? Was there housing discrimination? How were their politicians? What was the funding like compared to other neighborhoods? In other words, how was the neighborhood bef…

How are these matters relevant to the opinion that improving neighborhoods is a good thing?

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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post #9

It's always hilarious to see arguments that people fixing up a run down neighborhood is terrible. That improvement is unfair to the people who ran it down or didn't own anything there to begin with. Let's just have things stay crappy and life will be fair to all.

shaftoe, as a thought experiment consider why the neighborhood is run down. Did the people run down the neighborhood because that's what they like? How was the economic situation for these people? How were the schools, the hospitals, the law enforcement? Was there housing discrimination? How were their politicians? What was the funding like compared to other neighborhoods? In other words, how was the neighborhood bef…

... And how is it helped by a £2 beer now costing £5, and a burger costing £20? Thats the problem with hipsters - they buy the property out from under some residents, then make it impossible for those that remain to afford anything. They are like locusts. Eventually (as we see in London) they even price themselves out of an area, then move onto the next to destroy. E.g. from Stoke Newington to Dalston. What about the people there already, who can't afford to shop at Wholefood Market?

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The pinnacle example of this imho is the 202 year old Parisien Au Richelieu Boulangerie (bakery) that closed it's doors recently in Paris due to rent increases because of it's proximity to the ever popular Louvre Museum.

Even Paris is becoming too Parisienne for Paris!

http://eater.com/archives/2013/01/02/the-oldest-bakery-in-pa...

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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Obviously this doesn't apply everywhere, but gentrification is really rough on students. Between tuition increases, rent increases, and high demand for student neighborhoods because they're "hip", students moving to certain areas are being pushed farther and farther away from the actual school (because of both price and availability).

DC is particularly bad in this regard.

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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'"To my surprise," Freeman says, "it seemed to suggest that people in neighborhoods classified as gentrifying were moving less frequently."'

Well, duh. With rents rising, your only chance to stay in the neighbourhood is to cling on to your existing contract. Look at a fully-gentrified neighbourhood; the only low-income residents will be those who have been living in the same home for decades, with a rental contract that protected them from rent increases.

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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The pinnacle example of this imho is the 202 year old Parisien Au Richelieu Boulangerie (bakery) that closed it's doors recently in Paris due to rent increases because of it's proximity to the ever popular Louvre Museum. Even Paris is becoming too Parisienne for Paris! http://eater.com/archives/2013/01/02/the-oldest-bakery-in-pa...

And yet when this fancy boulangerie opened in a modest neighborhood in 1812, that was a textbook example of gentrification.

Re: Gentrification May Actually Be Boon To Longtime Residents

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

shaftoe, as a thought experiment consider why the neighborhood is run down. Did the people run down the neighborhood because that's what they like? How was the economic situation for these people? How were the schools, the hospitals, the law enforcement? Was there housing discrimination? How were their politicians? What was the funding like compared to other neighborhoods? In other words, how was the neighborhood bef…

... And how is it helped by a £2 beer now costing £5, and a burger costing £20? Thats the problem with hipsters - they buy the property out from under some residents, then make it impossible for those that remain to afford anything. They are like locusts. Eventually (as we see in London) they even price themselves out of an area, then move onto the next to destroy. E.g. from Stoke Newington to Dalston. What about the…

Why do you target your rage at the hipsters paying £5 for a beer rather than the bartender charging £5 for that beer? Or, perhaps, his landlord, for raising is rent to the point where he needs to charge £5? I guarantee that the hipster would rather pay £2. The whole issue of gentrification seems to always come around to blaming the people who move in rather than the people who profit off of them, be they existing home owners, local businesses or real estate developers.

If the displaced want to cast this as a class war, follow through on the metaphor. Profiteering is considered criminal in times of war. Those profiting from the influx of money need to be held accountable.

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