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Re: The Lowdown on Lidar

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Speed radars are good for speed traps, but not so great to prevent speed related incidents. They share the same fatal flaw with all other single-point speed meters: You can just slow down for a minute, while you pass by the speed trap, and then speed up for the rest of your trip. Instead, a 2-point speed meter (i.e. license plate readers every few miles, measuring time between matching reads) system is superior becau…

If you've traveled around the country, you've invariably come across those "speed is monitored by aircraft" signs, and what you described is how they do it (tracking how long it takes cars to go from point A to B)

In California the CHP (California Hwy Patrol) plane has to do the same thing the CHP car would have to do: match your speed and then note its own speed. Measuring time between points is forbidden no matter what the observer's vehicle is. Radar is also used from the ground but was not available to CHP when they started using aircraft. The planes are on the inexpensive side so sometimes they have to dive to achieve the speed. Also recently CHP got to use radar statewide so they don't use aircraft so much.

Re: The Lowdown on Lidar

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I hope he realizes this, as much as I hope everybody else realizes this, that the only reason why he got the violation reduced was because he brought his attorney on board. Anybody who lives in California whose contested a ticket knows that 9/10 times (if not even more than that) judges side with the officers -- whether they have a strong case or not -- the State of California certainly doesn't want it's residents to…

I managed to win 3 tickets in CA (over a period of about 9 years) using trial by written declaration. In fact one of them was using a very similar argument to OPs. It's a bunch of work as I painstakingly assembled my case with loads of supporting evidence but I think it's important to stand up for yourself. Admittedly all 3 cases were dismissed because the officer didn't bother to write a response but TBWD is a lot c…

What if there was an online tool to help you assemble your case? Do you think more people would fight tickets?

Re: The Lowdown on Lidar

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In CA, infractions are crimes so the reasonable doubt standard applies. See Cal. Pen. Code section 16. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/16.html

Wait a minute, if that's true won't it imply that traffic violations/infractions convictions get you a criminal record ?

Yes. Infractions are crimes so yes. For the most part, they are not treated as crimes. You cannot be jailed based on an infraction. Most job applications I've seen typically explicitly exclude requiring information about past infraction violations.

Re: The Lowdown on Lidar

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Often (but not always) in the UK, the laser is accompanied by video footage which shows where the beam has been trained and it is a combination of both the video and laser reading (shows on the video) which is the evidence. (all tripod mounted - so I suspect many of the issues detailed are well known). Sounds like that would give good supporting evidence for a challenge. However, traffic violations is most places are…

In the UK, speed cameras seem to be accompanied by road markings: http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southport/news_list/New_Speed_... I always assumed that the radar was only for deciding to take and submit the pictures, the actual speed measurement (especially if challenged) would be done using the markings on the road. That only requires the speed camera to have a reliable to 1/100 second clock which isn't exactly rock…

Someone did manage to appeal because they'd incorrectly painted the markings too close together. You have to check everything ! :D
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