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Re: Stellar

#441

It seems to me Stellar (the organization) will be "the Central Bank" a la Bank for International Settlements at the global level or Federal Reserve for Stellar (the cryptocurrency). This is what makes me uncomfortable. The biggest point about cryptocurrencies is that they are not centralized. In that sense Stellar seems a lot worse than regular currency. With a regular currency, at least the respective Central Bank o…

Meh, I'm not that big on 'totally decentralized'. Most of the time when nobody is in charge, it just ends up as a clusterfuck (bitcoin being an obvious example, or Occupy Wall Street which had a governance structure so impossibly idealistic that it was doomed to failure...by design, IMHO). So yeah, you have a small self-appointed elite of 'leaders' who essentially have more power than everyone else. That's how human society functions, most of the time. If enough people like it, it will take off and that self-appointed elite will become disproportionately powerful and rich...but at least you know who they are and they're in a well-defined governance structure subject to specific laws and can be challenged well-defined procedural tactics. The creates a large degree of predictability, and business likes predictability, as do consumers. So while it may fall short of purely democratic ideals, if more poeple use it and it actually results ina greater consumer suprlues, then it enhances the lives of mroe people to a greater degree than an ideologically pure alternative that never acquires sufficient traction to deliver a significant economic benefit.

Cynical, maybe, but as a good utilitarian I'll take results over ideals any day.

Re: Stellar

#442
post #362

The password recovery scheme is so poorly designed, that's borderline scary: You can't use the recovery code sent by email after registration without validating your email first (but since you have the code, your email is obviously valid)... which requires you to login (but if you don't have your password, well, you can't log in)... Great!... one lost account for me.

And there is no way to change your password.

Re: Stellar

#443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The beauty of this model is anyone can become a gateway at any time. If this takes off, then you could use this to build the killer "spot me $5" app. A few weeks ago when some friends were describing the spreadsheet they used to track who owes what to who, I proposed a micro-virtual currency limited to just the circle of friends that all trust each other, whereby exchanging the virtual currency you can transfer deb…

Thinking about this a bit more, there is one flaw with using it to track debts among a circle of friends, which is that any of those friends could then turn around and trade the USD-stellar I issued them to someone else, who doesn't realize that they shouldn't actually trust me for it. Using a fake currency as a proxy for USD would work here, but of course fake currencies have their own problem which is everyone has…

> Another solution would be to allow gateways to declare that their coins are only redeemable by a limited set of accounts.

Yep, that's baked into the protocol :) https://www.stellar.org/api/#api-accountset - require Auth flag

Re: Stellar

#444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The beauty of this model is anyone can become a gateway at any time. If this takes off, then you could use this to build the killer "spot me $5" app. A few weeks ago when some friends were describing the spreadsheet they used to track who owes what to who, I proposed a micro-virtual currency limited to just the circle of friends that all trust each other, whereby exchanging the virtual currency you can transfer deb…

Thinking about this a bit more, there is one flaw with using it to track debts among a circle of friends, which is that any of those friends could then turn around and trade the USD-stellar I issued them to someone else, who doesn't realize that they shouldn't actually trust me for it. Using a fake currency as a proxy for USD would work here, but of course fake currencies have their own problem which is everyone has…

We recommend you only trust one gateway per currency for that exact reason. You can only paid in currency issued from accounts you trust. Lets say your friend holds Euro credits from a gateway in London, and you live in San Francisco and therefore only hold USD credits from a gateway there. All she has to do to send you USD is specify "Send him X USD". She doesn't have to care about your issuer. It's taken care of by the protocol.

Check out https://www.stellar.org/api/#api-payment. By setting Amount.issuer to be the recipient's address, the protocol will find a path from the sender's gateway to the recipient's gateway.

Speaking more broadly, I anticipate many gateways will also become exchanges, to make their credits more valuable, aka more "liquid". For instance, in the last example, what was required to make this work was a "market maker", someone in the middle buying London EUR and selling San Francisco USD. If no direct exchange existed (highly unlikely in this example), there may be a EUR -> XYZ Currency -> USD. To avoid this external dependency (and also offer a cheaper exchange rate), it would be in the London and SF gateway's best interest to trust (https://www.stellar.org/api/#api-trustset) each other. Then, the exchange from her EUR credits to your USD credits would happen directly.

Re: Stellar

#445

Tried signing up but after a minute of waiting I was told my username was already taken. Then, I received an email saying I successfully signed up (with that same username), with a broken link to "forums.stellar.org". Managed to visit "forum.stellar.org" without an issue. I think you may have launched a little soon... EDIT: now unable to log in with my username and password combination.

Hi Peter, we are aware of this issue affecting a minority of users and are actively working to provide a fix. If you signed up with your email, we will also contact you soon with instructions on how to retrieve your account. Thank you for your patience!

Re: Stellar

#446
post #361

This is an awesome idea, and we want to help support it. To that end: how do we disclose a security vulnerability? Is there a PGP key posted, or some other system for us to do that?

Thanks! Please contact hello@stellar or one of the admins directly on freenode channel #stellar-dev.

Re: Stellar

#448

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I bailed at the first page after the registration screen when I couldn't get any further due to the facebook requirement. I don't have a facebook account, who in tech has a facebook account these days? I just find it strange that a supposedly forward-thinking new platform would require technology most people I know abandoned last decade. You don't appeal to early-adopters by requiring they use dead-tech.

"who in tech has a facebook account these days?" erm, lol ?

well, you know, apart from those who actually work for facebook. or zynga.

I remember when we all had to create fake facebook accounts about 5 yrs ago when zynga tried to 'acqui-hire' our company just so we could see what farmville was like.

thankfully that didn't happen.

Re: Stellar

#450

Pretty strange how Stellar is paying people to sign up with Facebook. Facebook is very centralized. These modern currencies are very decentralized. I don't mind myself, but it seems like paying someone to sign up with the enemy...

Its not strange at all, otherwise it would be too easy to create a bunch of email accounts and "mine" stellar with them. With Facebook they have account history, number of friends, activity, etc as proof of validity. Its not a perfect measure but its much better than just allowing arbitrary email signups.

I used a fake FB account to sign up and get stellar. This is in fact no protection at all and they should just drop the requirement.
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