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Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by BorisMelnik »

ejr wrote: post #30
driverdan wrote: post #29

Here's an idea, stop using shitty services like PayPal. Today it's IPNs failing, tomorrow they're locking your account and holding your money for 180+ days with no justification.

As much as people complain about them, I still haven't found a service that matches their reach or ease. Let's face it, PP is a de-facto bank without any of the regulations, requirements or safeguards.

ease of use is still kind of key for me. I pay a lot of people in Europe / Asia and if it weren't for paypal I'd literally have to make a trip to my supermarket Western Union twice a week.

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by ejr »

BorisMelnik wrote: post #31
ejr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as people complain about them, I still haven't found a service that matches their reach or ease. Let's face it, PP is a de-facto bank without any of the regulations, requirements or safeguards.

ease of use is still kind of key for me. I pay a lot of people in Europe / Asia and if it weren't for paypal I'd literally have to make a trip to my supermarket Western Union twice a week.

Yes, exactly. When I tell people where they need to send funds, their first question is "do you have a PayPal account?" Western Union, Moneygram and such are all highly inconvenient for both parties.

And services like Stripe aren't an option for me due to their restrictions on use as well https://stripe.com/us/prohibited_businesses

My work covers multiple items on that list. Compare that to PayPal's https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#9

Edit: I should mention, of Strip's list of "prohibited businesses", nothing I do is illegal or unethical. Just in case I gave that impression.

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by liveoneggs »

ejr wrote: post #32
BorisMelnik wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ease of use is still kind of key for me. I pay a lot of people in Europe / Asia and if it weren't for paypal I'd literally have to make a trip to my supermarket Western Union twice a week.

Yes, exactly. When I tell people where they need to send funds, their first question is "do you have a PayPal account?" Western Union, Moneygram and such are all highly inconvenient for both parties. And services like Stripe aren't an option for me due to their restrictions on use as well https://stripe.com/us/prohibited_businesses My work covers multiple items on that list. Compare that to PayPal's https://www.paypa…

wow that list is huge!

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

#34

Post by bmelton »

ejr wrote: post #32
BorisMelnik wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ease of use is still kind of key for me. I pay a lot of people in Europe / Asia and if it weren't for paypal I'd literally have to make a trip to my supermarket Western Union twice a week.

Yes, exactly. When I tell people where they need to send funds, their first question is "do you have a PayPal account?" Western Union, Moneygram and such are all highly inconvenient for both parties. And services like Stripe aren't an option for me due to their restrictions on use as well https://stripe.com/us/prohibited_businesses My work covers multiple items on that list. Compare that to PayPal's https://www.paypa…

Hell, I had no idea that Stripe's prohibited businesses list was so ... massive.

The list runs the gamut from "risky" to "value judgement", and I can't help but wonder how all those items ended up on the same list.

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by yuhong »

contingencies wrote: post #10

If you've ever sat down and looked at Paypal's APIs properly, for instance with a view towards a proper risk analysis and/or from-scratch integration, then this should not surprise you. I did this for the first time perhaps ten years ago, and here's what I found. Firstly, the degree of marketing bullshit that you have to push through just to get to the truth of the APIs is staggering . Secondly, they perform backflip…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7871180

Notice the questions I asked.

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by eli »

bmelton wrote: post #34
ejr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. When I tell people where they need to send funds, their first question is "do you have a PayPal account?" Western Union, Moneygram and such are all highly inconvenient for both parties. And services like Stripe aren't an option for me due to their restrictions on use as well https://stripe.com/us/prohibited_businesses My work covers multiple items on that list. Compare that to PayPal's https://www.paypa…

Hell, I had no idea that Stripe's prohibited businesses list was so ... massive. The list runs the gamut from "risky" to "value judgement", and I can't help but wonder how all those items ended up on the same list.

Some are clearly legal liabilities. The rest almost certainly have high fraud/chargeback rates. Can you imagine how many people must dispute what they paid to a psychic

Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by [deleted] »

bmelton wrote: post #34
ejr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. When I tell people where they need to send funds, their first question is "do you have a PayPal account?" Western Union, Moneygram and such are all highly inconvenient for both parties. And services like Stripe aren't an option for me due to their restrictions on use as well https://stripe.com/us/prohibited_businesses My work covers multiple items on that list. Compare that to PayPal's https://www.paypa…

Hell, I had no idea that Stripe's prohibited businesses list was so ... massive. The list runs the gamut from "risky" to "value judgement", and I can't help but wonder how all those items ended up on the same list.

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Re: Paypal has not been sending payment notifications to merchants

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Post by lucaspiller »

myddryn wrote: post #13

This has always been a problem with Adaptive Payments, just not always so severe. Paypal's Express Checkout product has the best solution to this in that a payment cannot be completed without an explicit API call by your application. This makes the payment confirmation IPN redundant. It is a more complex integration, but our product has been much more stable since we made the transition to Express Checkout. This does…

The issue here is that Express Checkout isn't available in all countries. When I was integrating PayPal for the startup I was working at last year we had to use Adaptive Payments because of this. I don't mean some small South American county nobody has heard of, the business was based in Ireland.

As other commenters pointed out we didn't have much choice of providers because of our business model (hotel booking). Stripe and Braintree didn't want anything to do with us, so we went with PayPal to start with. I think they are now using RBS WorldPay, but even that had it's issues...

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