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Re: Stellar
#352Seems to me that stella will only work and achieve broad adoption if the network has solid gateways operated by entities people already know and trust. Who do most people trust with their money? Existing banks and other well known exchange/trading platforms (xe.com / etrade / western union). If you want these institutions to start operating stella gateways, surely it would be a good idea to have an advisor to the board that's from that world, well connected and understands it intimately?
Re: Stellar
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gateways actually don't have to be trusted by the network. Think of them as similar to stores issuing credit: the gateway just says "the user has a credit for 100 USD, redeemable at my store". That credit is tradable, but only to other users who trust credit from that gateway. This means there needs to emerge a good system for users to decide which gateways to trust, but a malicious gateway can only directly harm the…
> The beauty of this model is anyone can become a gateway at any time. If this takes off, then you could use this to build the killer "spot me $5" app. A few weeks ago when some friends were describing the spreadsheet they used to track who owes what to who, I proposed a micro-virtual currency limited to just the circle of friends that all trust each other, whereby exchanging the virtual currency you can transfer deb…
Another solution would be to allow gateways to declare that their coins are only redeemable by a limited set of accounts. That way I can be a gateway and issue USD-stellar that everyone knows is worthless if it leaves the circle of friends. I could do this ad-hoc just by refusing to redeem any issued coins by someone outside the group, but as mentioned above that leaves open the possibility of people not realizing that these particular coins are worthless (outside the group). Of course, this also has the problem where someone may now look at their balance and see that they have $500 USD, but not realize that $50 of it is actually debt issued by me, because the software they're using doesn't distinguish restricted coins from others.
Perhaps the fake currency approach really is the best. This has the benefit of letting an extended group of friends trade around debt issued by people they're not actually direct friends with, but they trust transitively through a shared friend. If I decide to accept debt issued by Alice, and Alice refuses to pay up when I go to her, I can then talk to our shared friend (but hopefully Alice would agree that the debt I bought from Joan is still valid and pay up). The downside is, of course, that everyone has to be using the same centralized shared currency. And that won't scale past a small group of friends (if it did, it wouldn't be a fake currency anymore). Although if you have several smaller circles of friends each with their own currency, and there's overlap, they could decide to trust the other currency and treat it as equivalent to theirs. I guess this is a continuation of Stellar's philosophy that the trust is granted by the person accepting the coin, rather than being dictated in any fashion by the issuer.
Of course, all this is predicated on the fake debt-currency not spreading far. As you try to scale to larger groups of friends, it ultimately ends up being simpler just to switch to USD.
I guess the real challenge here is figuring out how to let Stellar wallet clients display contained balances in a way that doesn't confuse coins issued by generally-trusted gateways vs coins issued by small gateways that most users probably won't trust. If I can somehow either categorize myself as a gateway, or each gateway I trust, those categories could be used to display balances appropriately. This way I can categorize Alice, Joan, Bob, Fred, and Jane as debt-issuing friends, and they can issue USD, and I won't accidentally think I have $500 USD when I really have $450 USD and $50 friend-debt. This doesn't really solve the problem of trading debt to people who don't realize it's worthless, but I don't know if that's a legitimate worry.
Re: Stellar
#354I was able to successfully sign up and get 5,000 STR, so that worked for me at least. But then I started looking a little deeper into the blog post. > Development is led by Jed McCaleb and Dr. David Mazieres in collaboration with a small team of others. (The technology is based on the open-source Ripple project, originally created by Jed a few years ago.) So, is Stellar fundamentally the same thing as and/or a fork o…
Great question - here are the two key items: - Stellar is a nonprofit. No one owns it. The board and advisors represent a diverse group of people in tech, finance, nonprofit and academia to encourage cross-pollination of ideas. The board is also required to expand to 5 members by year-end. - Almost all the stellars will be given away for free (95%) because the goal is to educate and provide access to digital currency…
And we are talking about a full fledged monetary system here with legal repercussions in terms of international law. With Bitcoin, no one was technically "responsible" for what folks did with Bitcoin. Will the Stellar organization be responsible for oversight and arbitration for any legal or financial fraud? And will the board BE held accountable or responsible for any systemic issues rising from speculation or any other activity?
Re: Stellar
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The beauty of this model is anyone can become a gateway at any time. If this takes off, then you could use this to build the killer "spot me $5" app. A few weeks ago when some friends were describing the spreadsheet they used to track who owes what to who, I proposed a micro-virtual currency limited to just the circle of friends that all trust each other, whereby exchanging the virtual currency you can transfer deb…
Thinking about this a bit more, there is one flaw with using it to track debts among a circle of friends, which is that any of those friends could then turn around and trade the USD-stellar I issued them to someone else, who doesn't realize that they shouldn't actually trust me for it. Using a fake currency as a proxy for USD would work here, but of course fake currencies have their own problem which is everyone has…
Note that your friend would only be able to trade your fake currency to someone who is willing to trust you, so there's no obvious need to have more technical enforcement preventing trades.
Re: Stellar
#356It seems to me Stellar (the organization) will be "the Central Bank" a la Bank for International Settlements at the global level or Federal Reserve for Stellar (the cryptocurrency). This is what makes me uncomfortable. The biggest point about cryptocurrencies is that they are not centralized. In that sense Stellar seems a lot worse than regular currency. With a regular currency, at least the respective Central Bank o…
The Stellar Foundation will actually control relatively little. The creation of new stellars, for example, will be done in a fully distributed fashion: https://www.stellar.org/about/mandate/#Stellar_creation . To clarify, of the total 5% reserved for operations, ownership is currently: - 2% to Stripe (the majority of which we're going to auction off to other companies, with net profits being returned to the foundatio…
As a good example what you mentioned: "As needed, the organization will also hold open auctions to raise funds from its remaining pool of stellars".
This is a huge thing! Who decides when "as needed" is? If it's the board, what's the basis of their authority? Just being a non=profit doesn't stop one or more of the board members to act in self-interest.
Re: Stellar
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with premining, if it is done honestly and transparently and especially if your coin is using a consensus algorithm that has no need for regular mining in the first place. Let's evaluate the fairness of the distribution model on its merits. This one is quasi-centralized (relying on Facebook accounts), but I predict it will be among the most egalitarian.
Says the creator of a premined coin (Ethereum).
Re: Stellar
#358Pretty strange how Stellar is paying people to sign up with Facebook. Facebook is very centralized. These modern currencies are very decentralized. I don't mind myself, but it seems like paying someone to sign up with the enemy...
I hear you. It's a temporary measure: https://www.stellar.org/faq/#_Why_do_I_need_to_authenticate_... . Basically, it was an easy (but imperfect) way to start. We'd certainly love suggestions for other channels to distribute stellars.
University accounts might be another way. Some people who don't like centralized services like Facebook and Google will still have a university email address.
Re: Stellar
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I smell compatibility hell. "Hey, take my credit from X gateway" "Sorry, I don't trust X"
Yep! That's where the stellar comes in. It's something that everyone the network can accept and requires no trust. So as long as someone is willing to convert your gateway's credit to stellar (and worst case, your gateway should be willing to do so), you're fine.
I'm also wondering, since the amount of Stellar is capped (100 billion, right? Can this ever change?), and since 50% of Stellar is being distributed to people who sign up, it seems like a sizable portion of this Stellar will almost certainly immediately become unusable as people sign up, get their Stellar, and never come back.
Edit: Just found the bit where it says Stellar will be created at a rate of 1% annually. The fixed 100 billion cap I cited was based on earlier comments about Ripple's cap.
Re: Stellar
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For instance, I said, "Jed is also on the Stellar board, too, one of only three members -- and so wields a considerable amount of influence." Then you said that "the board is composed of Jed, Keith Rabois, and me". Sorry, mostly I was just alluding to the fact that most of the board is composed of external members. > In any case, I'm more interested in hearing about how Stellar is or isn't like Ripple. Is it essent…
How can you ensure that a financial network is impartial?