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A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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>>She says people who commit suicide are losers can't apologize properly and work hard to make up for their mistake, or people who don't have the guts to weather through the hard times. My understanding is that at least some of the people who commit suicide have done things beyond apology. I mean, let's say a bridge collapses and kills tens of people, and it turns out this was due to the architect's gross negligence…

I think it makes more sense to set aside for now the 0.1% of cases that fall into that category, and work on ways to avoid the other 99.9% of suicides that don't.

I don't think all (probably not even most) suicides have anything to do with having made a mistake that needs apologising in the first place.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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Amazing. Japanese culture is the only one I know of where suicide is encourage and respected—is there any reason for that?

I'd been raised in a semi-Japanese home environment but wouldn't call myself an expert.

Many people would point to the Bushido culture when it comes to the aura of honor surrounding suicide. However, I think it may go even deeper.

From what I understand, Japan has never been a fully self-sufficient economy. The peasantry were always under some feudal rule and a lack of resources had been the norm. Tragic practises like carrying the elderly into the woods to be abandoned and die were not uncommon. The elderly knew when they had become more of a liability than an asset to the family and graciously accepted their fate.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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i used to struggle a lot with suicidal thoughts. i kept wanting to get out from the loneliness and general sense of "well what's the point? nothing i do really matters". i felt like the world was broken and alternated between trying to enjoy myself as much as i could, and wishing i could make things better.

what helped me finally move past this was repeatedly trying and failing to kill myself. always someone would come by, or i'd change my mind, at the last minute. i internalized the idea that it's not possible for a person to experience their own death. i see it in terms of the multiverse; if someone dies in my timeline, their world track has diverged so far from mine that we cannot meaningfully exchange information. i see things like war and the holocaust as being more akin to network partitions than destroyed hardware. the big bang was the network splitting for the first time, and portions of it have been trying to reconnect ever since.

i have no idea whether this is true or not, but it's .. being free from those thoughts immediately forces me to think "well if i'm stuck here, i have to make things work better for myself, since leaving apparently isn't an option."

sometimes i think i DID successfully kill myself - years ago, on my first attempt in 2006 - and i'm in a purgatory now.

i see stories of "life extension technology" being developed, and i think it's entirely plausible according to "mainstream science" that people my age will be able to live indefinitely. everyone else tells themselves "well its because of this new technology" and in the back of my mind, i keep thinking that i won't have a choice - i'll be alive forever because you can only die once.

i'm sure this all sounds ridiculous to anyone hearing it, but honestly being able to put aside suicidal thoughts, and focus on improving my life, has been really, extremely helpful. it sounds like this guy has found another way (i.e. not involving believing immortality is the default state, or that you are already dead) to make it happen.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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My wife is Japanese (born and raised there) and she does not look at it that way. She says people who commit suicide are losers can't apologize properly and work hard to make up for their mistake, or people who don't have the guts to weather through the hard times. Also, the whole samurai/bushido thing essentially doesn't exist for anyone under fifty over there. I went to Japan with my family in January, and I had a…

No offense, but making trip to Japan and eating at Joyful is like going to the Bay area and eating at Denny's.

I eat at Tsui Wah late at night when I go to Hong Kong, which is pretty much a HK denny's.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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[Suicide rates] go down in wartime and go up again afterward. Why would that be?

I'm not a psychologist, so I won't comment on the _why_, but veterans have an extremely high suicide rate. http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427 (the PDF link has the data)

    > Of the 147,763 suicides reported in 21 states, 27,062 (18.3%)
    > were identified as having history of U.S. military service
    > on death certificates
This article has some discussion on how this data is hard to collect: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/22-veteran-suicides-a-day/

From that article:

    > A recent analysis by News21, an investigative multimedia
    > program for journalism students, found that the annual
    > suicide rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 
    > of the population, compared with the civilian rate of 14 per
    > 100,000. 
I'd expect that after a war, you have a new population of people in this particular high-risk group...

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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Are you implying he can make up for his mistake by killing himself?

No. enraged_camel is clearly asking if sometimes there is no proper apology, and no amount of work that one can do to make up for one's mistake.

It depends on your worldview. As an evangelical Christian, I would say no one can make up for ANY of their sins, small or large. Only God can forgive sins. But thank God He is in the business of graciously doing that.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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The Hikikomori has become a standard anime trope. Starting in 2009 in Anohana, the main character is a recovering Hikikomori (who went through quite a depressing story that caused him to withdraw from society). This last spring, there were at least three major animes revolving around the concept. "Nanana's burried treasure", "No Game No Life", and "Mekakucity actors" all have title characters who are Hikikomoris. Hik…

> Hikikomori (shut-ins / NEETs) seem to be a real problem... real enough that they've entered Japanese Anime culture as a new character archetype.

Character archetypes don't have to be real... they have to be interesting. It's vastly more likely that a character in a new show who draws on a different character in an older show does so because that original character was popular than that it does so because society as a whole has moved closer to that character in personality.

Re: A Buddhist monk confronts Japan’s suicide culture (2013)

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My wife is Japanese (born and raised there) and she does not look at it that way. She says people who commit suicide are losers can't apologize properly and work hard to make up for their mistake, or people who don't have the guts to weather through the hard times. Also, the whole samurai/bushido thing essentially doesn't exist for anyone under fifty over there. I went to Japan with my family in January, and I had a…

You and your wife sound nieve? Short, back/white answers benefit no one! Tell you wife, "Walk mile in man's shoes, then spout off ideology?" Or, just keep quiet and keep marital bliss? Wow-

You try staying married to a Japanese woman for 15 years without learning to accept that another culture and point of view is as valid as yours.

It's naive, by the way.

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