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Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by discohead »

67726e wrote: post #147
CalRobert wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really broad question, and it depends largely on where you're from, where you want to go, and what you want to do. Can you elaborate? If you just want to have a good time for a while I'd check out whether your country has working holiday visa arrangements with any other countries.

For me personally, I'm looking at Europe. I'm coming from America so I could possibly get away with 3 month stints on a Schengen visa, but I've been looking for long-term 6-12 months. I'm just starting to look into this though, so general tips/resources/strategies for getting the proper permits is always a plus. As an aside, I'd never heard the term "Working Holiday" before so that in and of itself is a new avenue of…

One technique is 3 months in the Schengen area and then 3-6 months in UK/Ireland, 3 months in Schengen, etc... as UK/Ireland are not Schengen and Americans can stay for up to 6 months.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by goblin89 »

pieterhg wrote: post #46

Hi HN! I made this. Here's some info on the data before everyone goes berzerk :) Firstly, it's crowdsourced from this spreadsheet http://nomadlist.io/edit/ so it might not be 100% accurate. Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital noma…

> I'd like to monetize this by selling city specific nomad guides on how to set up in each place and letting people find jobs remotely.

Isn't NomadCost being monetized already via “preferred by nomads” feature?

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by lhl »

sveme wrote: post #11
pieterhg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends, the NomadCost is based on staying there for a month, and not being able to rent long-term. So you'll be staying in private rooms in hostels, low-end hotels and CL/AirBnB apts. Finding a cheap place in East Berlin for a long-term is definitely a viable option. But not if you move around as fast as digital nomads do.

All true, but 90 Euros for a private hostel room strikes me as way too much - a quick search on hostels.com ( http://www.hostels.com/berlin/germany?dateFrom=2014-07-31&da... ) indicates something like 55,- Euros as the median prize. Mind, that's absolute high season right now. Have you thought about crowdsourcing the data entry?

It looks like the prices for Berlin are a bit more reasonable on the spreadsheet now (but not the site yet), but yeah, considering there were 1000+ <€30/night listings just on AirBnB when I was looking last month... it seems like there needs to be a better way to sample/get prices that's more representative. The methodology/approach is somewhat flawed (I also just spent a couple months in Tokyo earlier this year there's some discrepancies there that others have pointed out as well).

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by jtheory »

blakerson wrote: post #149
S4M wrote: post #100

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> Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital nomad's lifestyle. They move around every few months, so they can't rent long-term. So NomadCost will be way more expensive than cost of living for a resident. I suggest you to let the user ex…

I'm intuitively guessing that there's more geographic variance in rent prices than in coworking or food. Everyone will have different ameliorating factors in different cities, like friends or in-laws, and I'd argue that splitting out the NomadCost creates more mental work for a visitor than is necessary for the purposes of comparing cities to one another. tl;dr we all have friends and fam, so chill

I think you misunderstood the request (providing the option to drill down doesn't create more mental work), but I also disagree about "we all have friends and fam"... the typical digital nomad is NOT traveling to see family in friends; they're (for example) someone from SF traveling to SE Asia.

My own family & friends are split up all over the world (and my wife's parents live on the opposite of the world from mine, and we've lived in 3 different countries at one time or another but now are sort of in-between them), but it's still really unusual.

I'm pretty sure the calculations are assuming you don't have family/friends to host you.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by dethstar »

blakerson wrote: post #149
S4M wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital nomad's lifestyle. They move around every few months, so they can't rent long-term. So NomadCost will be way more expensive than cost of living for a resident. I suggest you to let the user ex…

I'm intuitively guessing that there's more geographic variance in rent prices than in coworking or food. Everyone will have different ameliorating factors in different cities, like friends or in-laws, and I'd argue that splitting out the NomadCost creates more mental work for a visitor than is necessary for the purposes of comparing cities to one another. tl;dr we all have friends and fam, so chill

>splitting out the NomadCost creates more mental work for a visitor than is necessary for the purposes of comparing cities to one another.

It'd be more helpful is not like the split version has to be the default.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by joncooper »

bussiere wrote: post #90
pieterhg wrote: post #46

Hi HN! I made this. Here's some info on the data before everyone goes berzerk :) Firstly, it's crowdsourced from this spreadsheet http://nomadlist.io/edit/ so it might not be 100% accurate. Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital noma…

Amazing project btw i'm in different underground, like burner & co. For the burner this could be a valuable ressource. And if i may make a suggestion for sofia and some place it could be nice to add the local hackerspace ( http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sofia ) i know that there is one in sofia. If you hire i will be glad to work for you bussiere[AT]gladosx.tv

Out of curiosity, does "burner & co" mean the same thing it'd mean in the SF Bay Area, i.e. the Burning Man scene? Or something else?

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by jtheory »

peteretep wrote: post #35

You need to include visa situation, because Bangkok is 3rd, but unless you're planning to start a Thailand-based business via the BOI, you're working there illegally if you don't have a work permit, and they're cracking down on all sorts of visa irregularities at the moment.

Assuming that you're working remotely for clients who are outside of Thailand, is this actually a problem?

I've worked from various places while traveling, and never worried about this, though obviously it would be an issue if you wanted to pick up local clients.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by mncolinlee »

pieterhg wrote: post #46

Hi HN! I made this. Here's some info on the data before everyone goes berzerk :) Firstly, it's crowdsourced from this spreadsheet http://nomadlist.io/edit/ so it might not be 100% accurate. Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital noma…

While the idea is great, it bases everything off of averages. Average housing, average internet, average everything. It would be better to show tiers if possible.

For most remote workers, knowing the highest affordable speed is more important. For example, Red Wing, MN offers gigabit fiber to the home, but NetIndex shows 33Mbps for the average internet speed. A lot of people aren't paying a few bucks more because they don't need or know about better internet access.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by optymizer »

You need way more data points. I would add crime statistics to this for example or probability of getting arrested and beaten by the local police, and the average cost of bribing officials/administrative workers.

For example, Sofia is #5, but, having lived there for a few years, it is absolutely not the #5 best choice, by far. That said, it's not a bad choice, it works for Telerik after all.

Re: Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in

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Post by gkop »

compare wrote: post #56

Great concept. One feature request: Better calculations for cities with Bi-modal price distributions. Certain cities have a extremely bi-modal distributions of pricing. I.e. they can support both the "broke artist" lifestyle, and the "upper middle class" lifestyle. Two separate cost distributions. If you try to take the mean or median of these cities, you'll end up either arbitrarily landing on one of the distributio…

May I ask where do you recommend in Sofia for cheap pizza?
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