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Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

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Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it is not secure

"The audio/video contents of FaceTime calls are protected by end-to-end encryption, so no one but the sender and receiver can access them. Apple cannot decrypt the data." [1] [1] https://ssl.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb1...

This does not mean that it's secure. See for example http://www.zdnet.com/apples-imessage-encryption-claims-refut... and http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/06/can-apple-re...

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#44
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure there is no real end-to-end encryption. And you can only do that between iPhone/Mac users.

> I'm sure there is no real end-to-end encryption. "The audio/video contents of FaceTime calls are protected by end-to-end encryption, so no one but the sender and receiver can access them. Apple cannot decrypt the data." https://ssl.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb1... > And you can only do that between iPhone/Mac users. Ah yeah, I thought Signal was only for iPhone, based on the title. Should have re…

In the very same doc you quote, they also say of iMessage:

"Apple does not log messages or attachments, and their contents are protected by end-to-end encryption so no one but the sender and receiver can access them. Apple cannot decrypt the data."

Which has been refuted several times.

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#45
It would be nice if the server software were open source as well.

Call routing information, like all metadata, can only be protected legally not cryptographically. So it's not something I trust to people outside Canada, no matter how much esteem I have for them.

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#46
Why is the App Store application search process so horrible? I agree, "Signal" and "Whisper" are bad things to have to search for, but there's basically no way to enter a simple memorable text string in the store and get the right app.

I ended up using a browser on the phone to go to the HN article to go to the right app store link.

I can't believe this hasn't been solved.

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

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post #46

Why is the App Store application search process so horrible? I agree, "Signal" and "Whisper" are bad things to have to search for, but there's basically no way to enter a simple memorable text string in the store and get the right app. I ended up using a browser on the phone to go to the HN article to go to the right app store link. I can't believe this hasn't been solved.

Apple has kind of always sucked at search. It's a shame, considering the quality of the rest of their ecosystem.

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#48

It would be nice if the server software were open source as well. Call routing information, like all metadata, can only be protected legally not cryptographically. So it's not something I trust to people outside Canada, no matter how much esteem I have for them.

> Call routing information, like all metadata, can only be protected legally not cryptographically.

In this system. You could, for example, route calls over Tor (with crippling latency). There is no theoretical reason you can't make a fully anonymous audio comms system.

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#49
I wanted to donate $5 to BitHub using Bitcoin, but Coinbase's overlay doesn't allow you to change the amount (typing a new amount in does nothing). Does anyone know of a way around this?

Moxie, if you see this, can you publish some static address we can send funds to as well?

Re: Free, Worldwide, Encrypted Phone Calls for iPhone

#50
post #4

Um. Isn't encrypted calling on iPhones already provided by FaceTime Audio?

Yes. And you should probably assume that their claims of end-to-end encryption are about as solid as they were for iMessage.

http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/06/can-apple-re...

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/can-apple-read-your-...

http://www.zdnet.com/apples-imessage-encryption-claims-refut...

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