I love how people still make noise about NSA, while gladly using facebook.
facebook won't declare me an enemy combatant and murder me if I say something they don't like.
Personal Privacy Is Only One of the Costs of NSA Surveillance
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#32> Economic losses to US businesses due to lost sales and declining customer trust. Whenever I have a discussion with friends on this topic, this is what I focus on. For many people, safety has a higher political priority than privacy. However, when you start saying that mass surveillance kills jobs, it gets much more attention because economic issues are usually on par or above safety concerns. This is why I don't un…
> For many people, safety has a higher political priority than privacy. However, when you start saying that mass surveillance kills jobs, it gets much more attention because economic issues are usually on par or above safety concerns. Then there are people like my wife, who thinks disclosure hurt the US politically and economically, thus rationalizing that it is Snowden's fault for revealing all these surveillance pr…
The non-tin-foil response is about check-your-privilege. You might happen to be lucky to be in the less vulnerable, less suspicious group today, but there are regular innocent folks who are targeted for all sorts of reasons.
But blatantly, nearly every person who comes face-to-face with visceral awareness of loss of their privacy will care. If you have an actual peeping Tom looking in your windows, you care very much, even if you know they are from the NSA and not just some random creep. Real basic emotional awareness of loss of privacy completely changes how we behave and feel.
All your wife is really saying is that it's all too abstract for her — she doesn't really feel like her privacy is lost.
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#34I love how people still make noise about NSA, while gladly using facebook.
facebook won't declare me an enemy combatant and murder me if I say something they don't like.
While that is very true, should you state your grievances on Facebook, then it makes you easier to target.
All those anti-Israel comments on FB at the moment - bingo, you've been tagged as probably anti-Semitic, potentially a Muslim terrorism supporter and worth putting on a watch list.
Now if you happen to go to a humanitarian demo that is judged to be pro-Palestine then you are highly liked to be filmed (especially in the UK). The contents of those police cameras are later downloaded and processed. Face recognition software cross-references you with Facebook and other public people databases.
Searching....ping....found target...
- Name: ...
- Anthropology: Caucasian
- Source: Facebook NSA hook
- Threat score: 1.3
- Upgrading threat score: + 2.5
Auto triggers:
- Flag Homeland Security
- Tag passport
- Watch social security number
- Track internet usage (log level: all)
It is probably an exaggeration as of today, but this is the system that the NSA is aiming for.
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#35I love how people still make noise about NSA, while gladly using facebook.
Why do you wonder? Unless you have no public-facing products or publications you are personally directly involved in, it's perfectly rational to use social media for things that would be out in public and subject to whatever scrutiny anyone cares to apply to them, AND, at the same time, "make noises" as you so dismissively put it.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For many people, safety has a higher political priority than privacy. However, when you start saying that mass surveillance kills jobs, it gets much more attention because economic issues are usually on par or above safety concerns. Then there are people like my wife, who thinks disclosure hurt the US politically and economically, thus rationalizing that it is Snowden's fault for revealing all these surveillance pr…
"I have nothing to hide" is in this context synonymous with "I am not associated with wikileaks or any other know activist group able to anger the powerful" and "I am not journalist about to make government angry" and "I am not developing tor or some encryption tool" and "I am not defense layer in important case" and "I am not involved with occupy wall street" and so on. The spying on commission investigating NSA was…
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I don't use Facebook.
It doesn't matter, they are still building a profile on you and selling it. These are called "shadow profiles".
Good luck with that. Even the credit reporting companies get confused and can't figure out who I am accurately. And I actively help them since I like having credit cards and the ability to get mortgage loans.
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Technically speaking, you are correct. Practically and legally, everything Congress does is jammed through Article I Section 8 of the Constitution, which grants it the authority to "regulate" interstate commerce. Also, what w4 said. But again if you want to get technical, the Constitution restricts Congress's authority to provide for the common defense to having an army or a navy, but not an Air Force, and not a Nati…
and boy, does this need an amendment: when a farmer can be sued and forced to not grow food for his own family, and the suit is found valid because of Article I Section 8 we have a huge problem.
Eh? What's this?
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Every level of government, right down to the municipal level, can ask Facebook to hand all that data over at any time. They don't even need a court order if they claim it's an emergency or involves a child. https://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/ Facebook admits to turning over data on tens of thousands of people in the USA. https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/20...
Yes, but I kind of assume that political activist does not keep his super secret emails on facebook.
Contact list and location history are scary enough, and I'm not a political activist.
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It's not just that, though. All of the casual information that you post on Facebook, including timestamps and whatnot, can all be used to infer and create a detailed portfolio as to your personality, location, political views, sexual orientation, interests, commonly visited places, employer, etc. EXIF data from photographs alone is a goldmine. There was actually a practical example of a man FOIAing his documents from…
"incriminating". You don't want to use that word. Because if you're actually doing something illegal or immoral, that is not a compelling reason for us not to act on it. The idea that you need to be able to hide your political speech is a problem to start with . You won't be saved from tyranny by that power - if you use it, you already experience it and tyranny needs no reason to kick in doors beyond suspicion. Accur…
There's still a big gap between "illegal activity" and "things I would prefer random strangers in the government not know about me".