I like the idea though I'm on opera.
Edit: oh and it requires google login. No thanks.
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, so if I understand this correctly, in order to be certain I'm not tracked, I need to host my own back-end server? And the server stores the comments? And if I'm hosting my own server, I'm likely to end up talking mostly with those that sign up with "my" version of this? And if I want it to work in eg: Firefox I'd have to port it? Finally, wrt. tracking -- if the comments are stored on the server (and that's a RES…
The problem with XMPP rooms is that if you can connect to them with a chat client, people start using them like a chat client. Which is not necessarily what you want.
A valid point, but it's generally what I want :-) Well, at least as long as I can create the right kind of echo-chamber of like-minded people... ;-)
Perhaps XMPP+Server Log extension+rate limiting?
The inability to edit messages might be a worse strike against using (a not too heavily modified) XMPP server, though.
Re: Show HN: Words for Chrome – Smarter, safer web comments
#53I like the idea though I'm on opera. Edit: oh and it requires google login. No thanks.
Here is my answer to the Google/Facebook login question:
http://www.words4chrome.com/2014/about-words-login-options-a...
and
http://www.words4chrome.com/design-choices/#nonative
Even though there is no privacy downside, people are still afraid of Google and Facebook logins. I guess there's no way to change that perception.
Just out of curiosity, you and several others have singled out Google, not Facebook, for criticism re: the login. Why?
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For my money, downvoting is entirely necessary. You know how a comment like "R u srs? Luv this vid!" is normal on Youtube? I want users to downvote the living hell out of that comment. I want the WORDS community to hold each other to a much higher standard. Downvotes seem like the only way to actually maintain order.
There's nothing disorderly or actively harmful about that comment. It just adds little value compared to the search space of all possible comments. So it seems semantically more sound to simply withhold upvotes from it, rather than punishing it with downvotes.
Let's say a comment on one site gets 100 upvotes and no downvotes. On another site, another comment gets 10 upvotes and no downvotes. Was the first more popular, or just more trafficked?
You need the ratio of up-to-down to determine a comment's true usefulness.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing disorderly or actively harmful about that comment. It just adds little value compared to the search space of all possible comments. So it seems semantically more sound to simply withhold upvotes from it, rather than punishing it with downvotes.
Let's say a comment on one site gets 100 upvotes and no downvotes. On another site, another comment gets 10 upvotes and no downvotes. Was the first more popular, or just more trafficked? You need the ratio of up-to-down to determine a comment's true usefulness.
You can't compare upvote numbers (or even upvote/downvote ratios) meaningfully between sites, because their communities aren't the same. Your proposed scenario tells us nothing beyond pure numbers -- 100 people voted on one, 10 on the other. You can't say anything comparative. You certainly can't speak to strength of intent.
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As someone who's received a nontrivial amount of downvotes in this community and others, I can confidently say that I appreciate them as a mechanism. Almost every downvote that I've received was for a legitimate reason - a few were just out of disagreement, but that's the exception rather than the rule. In a way, it does create an echo chamber: when the community consistently downvotes things that don't conform to X…
A well-organized hate group can use downvotes to silence reasonable discourse and trumpet their ideology, so it looks like the popular opinion when it's nothing of the sort. You see this happen on Reddit. A hate group called SRS does it. They've even been leaking onto Hacker News recently, with some of the same lines they regularly use.
Wow, that's really disheartening to hear. I've personally never seen that around here (thankfully), but now that I'm over my minor obsession with Dogecoin I don't spend much time on Reddit.
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#57http://viewsourcecode.org/why/redhanded/images/hoodblink.gif I miss _why.
for those who don't get this: hoodwink'd[0][1] was this experiment/hack/art project by _why some years ago, which allowed implementing a parallel unified commenting system for the web. It was super cool because you'd go to, say, hackernews or slashdot and if you were part of the network you'd get access to a different set of comments, but integrated in the website rather than as an external popup (individual sets of…
Nice explanation. (: