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Re: Spain's 'Google tax'

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Post by visarga »

mahouse wrote: post #3
currysausage wrote: post #2

More details: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=... More opinion: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/26/spanish-congress-co... Maybe someone who speaks Spanish could provide a more detailed article? The English-language web appears to be shallow this time.

It's not about linking, it's about re-posting titles and excerpts of news, like Google News does (did?)

A few days of Google-FB-Twitter blackout for Spain would reverse this law, but the newspapers that proposed it should be banned forever from the search engines and social sites, to teach them a lesson.

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Post by spindritf »

Udo wrote: post #7
spindritf wrote: post #6

From what I understand, Twitter only posts content from the linked site (expanded tweets) if the site is a partner or (twitter cards) if the site actively includes code for Twitter. Anything you can squeeze into 140 characters is surely protected as a (very) limited quote. Which makes me question this article. Did they really pass a law requiring payment for quoting small parts of an article? Seems unlikely. Paying f…

The Heise article says so - arbitrarily small citations fall under this law, and it includes hyperlinks. A link is enough. The fine can be up to € 300k or six years in prison. The Spanish education minister hails this as a pioneering effort designed to be followed up by the EU at large.

Now I want to be true. Hopefully, it will have an inoculating effect.

Re: Spain's 'Google tax'

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Post by currysausage »

mahouse wrote: post #3
currysausage wrote: post #2

More details: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=... More opinion: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/26/spanish-congress-co... Maybe someone who speaks Spanish could provide a more detailed article? The English-language web appears to be shallow this time.

It's not about linking, it's about re-posting titles and excerpts of news, like Google News does (did?)

The Heise article says that a mere link to the URL is enough (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8091162). I really hope they mistook some Spanish source.

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Post by dagi3d »

mahouse wrote: post #3
currysausage wrote: post #2

More details: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=... More opinion: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/26/spanish-congress-co... Maybe someone who speaks Spanish could provide a more detailed article? The English-language web appears to be shallow this time.

It's not about linking, it's about re-posting titles and excerpts of news, like Google News does (did?)

and the point is that these publishers don't realize that all these news aggregators are sending a considerable amount of visits to them this is a picture of an editorial celebrating that this law was passed and how they include the buttons to send the article to the aggregators: http://mnmstatic.net/cache/21/eb/thumb_medium-2223027.jpg

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Post by pyneapple_tree »

spindritf wrote: post #6

From what I understand, Twitter only posts content from the linked site (expanded tweets) if the site is a partner or (twitter cards) if the site actively includes code for Twitter. Anything you can squeeze into 140 characters is surely protected as a (very) limited quote. Which makes me question this article. Did they really pass a law requiring payment for quoting small parts of an article? Seems unlikely. Paying f…

On a press note (http://www.mecd.gob.es/prensa-mecd/actualidad/2014/07/201407...):

Google+, Twitter, Facebook and other social networks won't be subject to this tax.

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Post by lince »

w1ntermute wrote: post #4

When they are already in such bad economic shape, why are the Spaniards so eager to push themselves into further irrelevance?

Spanish user here.

The main political parties have economic interest in mass media companies (like PRISA group). They are covering the hand who feds them.

Talking with other citiziens, they have no idea about this law being passed or does not support it.

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Post by chiubaka »

This is ridiculous... seems to me that much of the role of news reporting and publishing is being increasingly filled by social media. I think this is a pretty good thing because it democratizes the press and lets people decide to publish what they think is most important. These laws seem like a step in the wrong direction...

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Post by Daishiman »

w1ntermute wrote: post #4

When they are already in such bad economic shape, why are the Spaniards so eager to push themselves into further irrelevance?

Because Spanish politics is an inbred kind of politics.

People joke in Latin America about Spaniards because of their remarkably low knowledge of foreign languages and outside culture, or the fact that they watch American films overdubbed whereas others just watch them with subtitles.

It's a subtle thing, but there's a perception, to me not unfounded, that some sectors of Spanish society just don't look outward much, which is the reason they get these crazy ideas that wouldn't even be considered for a second anywhere else.

Re: Spain's 'Google tax'

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Post by lince »

Daishiman wrote: post #19
w1ntermute wrote: post #4

When they are already in such bad economic shape, why are the Spaniards so eager to push themselves into further irrelevance?

Because Spanish politics is an inbred kind of politics. People joke in Latin America about Spaniards because of their remarkably low knowledge of foreign languages and outside culture, or the fact that they watch American films overdubbed whereas others just watch them with subtitles. It's a subtle thing, but there's a perception, to me not unfounded, that some sectors of Spanish society just don't look outward much,…

I agree with you until last paragraph. As I said in another reply, I think that this law is based on economical protection of the two main political parties.

The lack of knowledge of foreign languages is clearly a issue. I think that our country is solving this making B1 mandatory to get you graduated and enforcing bilingual basic education on the capital. Not so much, but it seems to start giving some results.

We have to watch doubbed films when we're in groups because this problem. I know people that prefer original versions, but you can not exclude your friends when social watching.

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