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Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#121

Classifying Hinduism and Buddhism as "religions" in the Western sense of the word is imprecise and misleading at best. You can be a Hindu atheist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka Swami Vivekananda popularized the Ramakrishna school of thought, but they themselves deny to be called Hindus. Goa deputy Chief Minister considers himself to be a "Christian Hindu": http://www.firstpost.com/politics/india-hindu-nation…

> Similarly one can be a Buddhist atheist as well.

This makes me think of my time in Japan. On polls (or when asked), the majority of the Japanese will say or mark down "Buddhism". However, for all intents and purposes, they're atheist/agnostic. They don't believe in God or gods/deities, they view it kinda the same way we view Santa Claus. They only follow a few Buddhist rituals out of cultural pressure/habit (funeral services, news years celebrations, etc). It's extremely similar to how agnostics or even atheists will celebrate Christmas even though they don't believe in God. It's fun, everyone else is doing it so why not?

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#123
post #48

Other - Using standard nomenclature in a non-standard way I'd call myself a "Spiritual Atheist." I had been an atheist of the "cold" variety: life spontaneously arose from non-life in an undefined fashion, and everything relevant to the conversation evolved from this first life.. only the "observable" could be real. Seemingly non-local consciousness-connections (a dream where something bad happens to someone and they…

Please tell me: What do you mean with this line:

'The more your intentions fall in line with the intentions of the universe, the more satisfying life is.'

I am curious.

Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#124

The data is clearly not representative. Take a look at number one post in Show HN titled " OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years". This post has 740 points | 203 comments, clearly very popular (number two has 77 points | 46 comments). Does it mean atheists are more open responding to polls about spirituality?

Not everyone who commented on the OneBody thread is Christian, or religious in any way.

Past polls and discussions suggest that HN is somewhere around 3/4 non-religious (with various flavors of atheism and agnosticism most prevalent) and 1/4 religious (with various flavors of Christianity most prevalent). This thread is no different.

But HN also has a high regard for technical prowess and interesting projects, combined with a low tolerance for douchebaggery. Which means that interesting projects that happen to be targeted toward Christians (particularly one that could be easily forked for other religious or non-religious groups) can generate a lot of positive discussion... and the sort of people making snarky remarks about "imaginary friends" will tend to get downvoted/flagged into oblivion.

Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#126
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you deal with all the inconsistencies between science and religion? e.g. evolution vs creationism.

Fundamentalist creationism is not an inescapable consequence of "religion" generally. Can't speak for zaphar, but I for one have no problem believing that God could've created the world any way he felt like, including by letting evolution happen. Despite being not merely religious but an actual Bible-believing Christian, I am nevertheless quite willing to accept that a good deal of scriptural text is metaphorical. A…

> "A lot of it is pretty dang hit-you-over-the-head-with-a-stick obviously metaphorical"

Origen: "[if scripture was purely literal] we would not certainly believe, when thus possessing the meaning of Scripture in a continuous series, that anything else was contained in it save what was indicated on the surface; so for that reason divine wisdom took care that certain stumbling-blocks, or interruptions, to the historical meaning should take place, by the intro­duction into the midst (of the narrative) of certain impossibilities and incongruities; that in this way the very interruption of the narrative might, as by the interposition of a bolt, present an obstacle to the reader, whereby he might refuse to acknowledge the way which conducts to the ordinary meaning; and being thus excluded and debarred from it, we might be recalled to the beginning of another way, in order that, by entering upon a narrow path, and passing to a loftier and more sublime road, he might lay open the immense breadth of divine wisdom. This, however, must not be unnoted by us, that as the chief object of the Holy Spirit is to preserve the coherence of the spiritual meaning, either in those things which ought to be done or which have been already performed, if He anywhere finds that those events which, according to the history, took place, can be adapted to a spiritual meaning, He composed a texture of both kinds in one style of narration, always concealing the hidden meaning more deeply; but where the historical narrative could not be made appropriate to the spiritual coherence of the occur­rences, He inserted sometimes certain things which either did not take place or could not take place; sometimes also what might happen, but what did not: and He does this at one time in a few words, which, taken in their “bodily” meaning, seem inca­pable of containing truth, and at another by the in­sertion of many." - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.vi.v.v.i.html section 15

Origen was one of the foremost Christian scholars of the 2nd-3rd century. This was the predominant approach Christians took to scripture until 19th century America, when literalism took over -- for a short time.

Of particular note, the earliest parts of Genesis would have been obviously metaphorical to any of the early readers... because they blatantly undermine the Egyptian creation stories. They take the most significant Egyptian gods and describe them as mere objects (even the sun and moon aren't named -- they're just "lights".) They take the most significant elements of the Egyptian stories and turn them around, twist them up on themselves, and use them to express how Yahweh is different from Horus, Isis, and the rest. It's like the way Shrek takes common tropes from Cinderella-type movies and turns them on their head, only serious instead of comedic.

Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#127

At first, I was an atheist, and I pitied religious folks for their incredible stupidity. Then, I learned about agnosticism, and I realized it better describes what I believe, and that my lack of belief in God is possibly incorrect. I still pitied the religious for their blind faith. Then I realized one day, while pondering the subject, that because it is not possible to experimentally test for the existence of God, n…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#128
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one. Feel free to ask me anything you want. With the caveat that I don't participate in uncivil discussions.

If you believe god's takes part in the world in obvious ways (like miracles as written in many texts) why don't such things seem to happen around people documenting things ? Why allow large amounts of people to live lives of pure suffering? Etc. If you say that god's more of a force from afar, why is that worth worshipping any more than another natural phenomenon?

I see three questions here.

1. Why don't Miracles get documented? This one is less difficult to answer for me than it might seem. First of all by definition a Miracle is not an everyday occurrence, is out of the ordinary experience, and is unscheduled. Given those items it's not too surprising that they would not be documented at any time relatively recently. Second I would consider the the Miracles in the Gospels to be documented. However you likely don't count those since they are not recent enough to be recorded by something more permanent than a written word that has been copied multiple times. Either way I don't find this to be a significant blocker to faith. Even in scripture Miracles were pretty rare except for during Jesus 3 years of ministry.

2. Why allow large amounts of people to live lives of pure suffering. To answer this one you have to ask what are Gods motives for creating us?

2a. Motive #1 is for God to be worshipped freely. In order for him to be worshipped freely we have to be free to choose. If we are free to choose this implies that we can choose not to. The Christian Faith holds that we have freedom of choice.

2b. It boils down to God having a choice between Robots who all worship him due to programming or Human beings of whom a subset worship him out of choice. He values the Human beings more than Robots. You will either find this a harsh decision by him or a loving one depending on your viewpoint.

3. I don't believe he is a force from afar.

All of that said my faith is personal and much of what I believe I believe because of personal experience that I interpret as Him taking action in my life. Not in the Miracle fashion you describe in your questions but action nevertheless.

Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#129
post #20

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Christianity and Judaism are considered separate religions. So, I don't think Mormons are technically Christians or Jewish despite using both of there religious texts. Or if they are then I think Muslims might also qualify as they also believe in Judaism + Christ + one more prophet. Though depending on who you ask they might require Jesus to be part of the holy trinity and not just another prophet. PS: Granted, I thi…

Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet, but not that he is the son of God. Mormons do believe that Jesus is the son of God, which is the defining characteristic of being Christian

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Re: Poll: How religious is hacker news?

#130
post #115

It looks like this thread is being moderated off the front page, but it's something that I think is interesting too. I was astonished about the overwhelming response the church software got. Don't get me wrong, it's a great effort, but the sheer amount of votes it received seems somewhat out of proportion for what you'd expect a comparable project to get. So I'm curious if this Show HN maybe released some pressure in…

Good point, I guess that may have had a bit less controversy if it was only a couple of buckets. Also it is sad to see something core to our humanity moderated off the front page.
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