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Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by hyperliner »

staticelf wrote: post #177

I wouldn't develop software for chuches since my opinion is that they are bad for society. Feels weird for me to wish you luck, since I want religion to vanish. But good job in making a sophisticated software, even if it was for a horrible cause. EDIT: I knew this was probably going to be downvoted. But I just want to say that I have nothing against this person. I just dislike religion but understand that other may n…

Horrible cause? Bad for society? Terrible argument. From many perspectives, a lot of software could be deemed "bad for society" (i.e. "Facebook wastes time," "Google finds objectionable content," "Twitter encourages shallowness," ...).

Yet we build those and use them because, for the most part, they can be used for good. Just like churches.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by freditup »

ivanca wrote: post #157

Is a good software, I'm sure, but 500 points? Is this some sort of communal self-assurance humble-brag about being accepting of "religious software"? Or does everyone just really love ruby CMSs?

I know you got a lot of downvotes, but made me chuckle with the part about everyone just loving ruby CMSs. :)

Honestly though, I think it's a combination of a few things. First, Christians (and other religious people) are used to being bashed on HN and other similar sites, so I'm sure they (which includes me) would find it cool to see a positive post on religion and upvote it. Second, I'm sure some non-religious people thought it was a good piece of software and good work. And third, I'm sure some non-religious people felt good about themselves for upvoting this (as you mentioned in your comment).

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by kmfrk »

und3rw4t3rp00ps wrote: post #137
timmorgan wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glory to God! :-) It's just my passion. I really hope someone does build this as a slick hosted service. I don't do well dealing with customers :-)

Does it come in Synagogue?

Jesus on Rails, Allah in Scala, God in Go.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by lotharbot »

beejiu wrote: post #199
lotharbot wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My original criticism stands -- what he said was neither civil nor new/insightful. He absolutely should be made to feel that his comment was unwelcome. Your effort is better. It's even ostensibly on topic. Though I think your concern is overblown. In my experience, the vast majority of church "monitoring" in this way is pretty reasonable, in the "hey, haven't seen you in a while, is everything OK? Can we help?" sense…

> Except by cults, who don't need this kind of software to control you anyway. Religion is a cult, at least by the dictionary I am using. I don't really understand the entire religion/church environment, but of the few churches I have visited (I'm not religious) I was never asked to 'check in'; they keep no database of their attendees.

Most of the churches I've been to have not had a formal "check in" process, but they do have a membership process (people can be added to the member list, and are then allowed to vote for church leadership committees and such) and cards for guests to fill out if they want to be contacted.

Childcare (nursery) often has a check-in process specifically relating to who is and isn't allowed to pick up your children.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by tptacek »

lotharbot wrote: post #189
staticelf wrote: post #177

I wouldn't develop software for chuches since my opinion is that they are bad for society. Feels weird for me to wish you luck, since I want religion to vanish. But good job in making a sophisticated software, even if it was for a horrible cause. EDIT: I knew this was probably going to be downvoted. But I just want to say that I have nothing against this person. I just dislike religion but understand that other may n…

From the guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." ... The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil nor genuinely new/enlightening/informative. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

Yes. And even if that wasn't in the guidelines: we're in "Show HN", and the "Show HN" guidelines apply, and they're even stricter.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by tptacek »

freditup wrote: post #202
ivanca wrote: post #157

Is a good software, I'm sure, but 500 points? Is this some sort of communal self-assurance humble-brag about being accepting of "religious software"? Or does everyone just really love ruby CMSs?

I know you got a lot of downvotes, but made me chuckle with the part about everyone just loving ruby CMSs. :) Honestly though, I think it's a combination of a few things. First, Christians (and other religious people) are used to being bashed on HN and other similar sites, so I'm sure they (which includes me) would find it cool to see a positive post on religion and upvote it. Second, I'm sure some non-religious peop…

Did you look at it? It's really nice work. That's why I upvoted it. I don't think we have to reach psychoanalysis to see why this is doing so well.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by tptacek »

beejiu wrote: post #199
lotharbot wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My original criticism stands -- what he said was neither civil nor new/insightful. He absolutely should be made to feel that his comment was unwelcome. Your effort is better. It's even ostensibly on topic. Though I think your concern is overblown. In my experience, the vast majority of church "monitoring" in this way is pretty reasonable, in the "hey, haven't seen you in a while, is everything OK? Can we help?" sense…

> Except by cults, who don't need this kind of software to control you anyway. Religion is a cult, at least by the dictionary I am using. I don't really understand the entire religion/church environment, but of the few churches I have visited (I'm not religious) I was never asked to 'check in'; they keep no database of their attendees.

You just said you don't understand the market this software addresses. Maybe now's a good time to opt out of the conversation. Lots of other conversations are happening on the site, right now, and it looks like all of them are a better fit for you.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by ivanca »

tptacek wrote: post #206
freditup wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you got a lot of downvotes, but made me chuckle with the part about everyone just loving ruby CMSs. :) Honestly though, I think it's a combination of a few things. First, Christians (and other religious people) are used to being bashed on HN and other similar sites, so I'm sure they (which includes me) would find it cool to see a positive post on religion and upvote it. Second, I'm sure some non-religious peop…

Did you look at it? It's really nice work . That's why I upvoted it. I don't think we have to reach psychoanalysis to see why this is doing so well.

We are techies here, we know someone could pack WordPress with a couple of plugins, stamp some theme and call it ChurchPress and it would be way faster, safer and more extensible than this. So yeah, 640 points do seems a bit ridiculous, and is going to reach 1000 without doubt, meaning hn crowd find this article just as relevant as snowden prime revelations.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by tptacek »

ivanca wrote: post #208
tptacek wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you look at it? It's really nice work . That's why I upvoted it. I don't think we have to reach psychoanalysis to see why this is doing so well.

We are techies here, we know someone could pack WordPress with a couple of plugins, stamp some theme and call it ChurchPress and it would be way faster, safer and more extensible than this. So yeah, 640 points do seems a bit ridiculous, and is going to reach 1000 without doubt, meaning hn crowd find this article just as relevant as snowden prime revelations.

I disagree and further would be concerned that a comment like this says more about you professionally than it does about the software we're discussing, somewhere in the vein of "Stack Overflow? Weekend Project".

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by timmorgan »

clarkm wrote: post #167
timmorgan wrote: post #2

Hard to believe, but I've been working on this Rails app for over 7 years now! It started as a Rails 1.0 app waaayyy back when, and I've managed to bring it along through almost every major Rails version (still working on updating to Rails 4.1), which I'm pretty proud of. You can see screenshots at http://church.io . Being specifically church software, it might not find much of an audience here on HN, but still, I'm…

Congrats Tim -- you truly are a software evangelist! Do you have any idea how many churches currently use the software? Are many of them based in Tulsa?

Probably I should have installed a tracking pixel or something ;-)
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