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Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Would it not have been more efficient to build a plugin for, say, BuddyPress?

Why not?

Well, only 1% of the software "is Christian". The other 99% has already been created in various forms. I'm not criticising the project, I just don't know why he didn't extend existing software, or even fork something like BuddyPress.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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This looks simply fantastic. You clearly put a lot of thought into making it accessible to the non-technical user which means you really know the audience.

Kudos to you on taking a passion project and turning it into something wonderful and sharing it with the world!

(I'm also glad to see so much positivity in a thread that could have gotten gunked up. Just because something isn't your thing doesn't mean you can't appreciate a craft)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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I wouldn't develop software for chuches since my opinion is that they are bad for society. Feels weird for me to wish you luck, since I want religion to vanish. But good job in making a sophisticated software, even if it was for a horrible cause. EDIT: I knew this was probably going to be downvoted. But I just want to say that I have nothing against this person. I just dislike religion but understand that other may n…

From the guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." ... The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil nor genuinely new/enlightening/informative. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

> The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil [...]

That depends on entirely on where you live/your culture. What staticelf said isn't offensive and he shouldn't be made to feel like he cannot express his opinion. Perhaps he addressed it in a blunt way, but there is a genuine concern about how such software will be used to 'monitor' or 'peer pressure' church goers, particularly children, who are ushered into religion. Having a 'social network' so that religion permeates even further into people's lives should be a concern for everybody, religious or otherwise.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#194
This software looks great. I've actually looked at this before, but for a different reason. This is a space sorely lacking in options.

My amateur radio club has no coherent roster. We've got a couple people volunteering time to take all the application forms at our secretary's house and put them into a spreadsheet. But I also have spent some time looking to setup an open source club membership roster online. I even started working on a flask application, but don't really have the time to bring it to completion.

In my search I found various things revolving around subscription management and a lot of offline club roster type stuff, but nothing that really fit the bill. Most members pay their membership dues in cash, and we'd also like to denote officers of the club.

My goal was that we could add members contact information in directly. If they had an email, then they would be able to use that to login. Alternatively, members could go on the site and register themselves, with a club officer validating and activating their account. Members can update their contact information at any time. Club officers can record membership dues and when the current membership expires. While a nice option, we're not really concerned with an ability to pay online or not.

There should be privacy checkboxes: share my contact information with club members, share my contact information with with ARES (a 3rd party organization the club is affiliated with and most members are also members of).

Finally, members that are authorized should be able to download a roster of members (which is really the whole point).

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#195
post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." ... The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil nor genuinely new/enlightening/informative. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

> The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil [...] That depends on entirely on where you live/your culture. What staticelf said isn't offensive and he shouldn't be made to feel like he cannot express his opinion. Perhaps he addressed it in a blunt way, but there is a genuine concern about how such software will be used to 'monitor' or 'peer pressure' church goers, particularly children, who are ushered into rel…

My original criticism stands -- what he said was neither civil nor new/insightful. He absolutely should be made to feel that his comment was unwelcome.

Your effort is better. It's even ostensibly on topic. Though I think your concern is overblown. In my experience, the vast majority of church "monitoring" in this way is pretty reasonable, in the "hey, haven't seen you in a while, is everything OK? Can we help?" sense. Complaining about it is kind of like complaining about sports fans having a facebook group -- yeah, it's possible that someone can get upset because you're not showing proper loyalty, but practically speaking that's not how it's used. (Except by cults, who don't need this kind of software to control you anyway.)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#196

I wouldn't develop software for chuches since my opinion is that they are bad for society. Feels weird for me to wish you luck, since I want religion to vanish. But good job in making a sophisticated software, even if it was for a horrible cause. EDIT: I knew this was probably going to be downvoted. But I just want to say that I have nothing against this person. I just dislike religion but understand that other may n…

From the guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." ... The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil nor genuinely new/enlightening/informative. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

'Religion is bad' is no more or less civil a comment than 'religion is good.'

I agree with the second point, though.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#197
post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." ... The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil nor genuinely new/enlightening/informative. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

> The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil [...] That depends on entirely on where you live/your culture. What staticelf said isn't offensive and he shouldn't be made to feel like he cannot express his opinion. Perhaps he addressed it in a blunt way, but there is a genuine concern about how such software will be used to 'monitor' or 'peer pressure' church goers, particularly children, who are ushered into rel…

> What staticelf said isn't offensive

What staticelf said is only slightly nicer than "your work is evil, but it was technically well-executed". How is that not offensive?

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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That would be awesome!!! I've been thinking about adding some scheduling stuff, so that could be a great pairing!

Excellent, inspiration for me to finish it. I've been working on abstracting/gemifying most of it lately, specifically for integrating it into other projects, so this is perfect. Not yet on Github. Thanks again for making your stuff public.

And that right there is what I love about open source :)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#199
post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sentiment 'religion is bad' is neither civil [...] That depends on entirely on where you live/your culture. What staticelf said isn't offensive and he shouldn't be made to feel like he cannot express his opinion. Perhaps he addressed it in a blunt way, but there is a genuine concern about how such software will be used to 'monitor' or 'peer pressure' church goers, particularly children, who are ushered into rel…

My original criticism stands -- what he said was neither civil nor new/insightful. He absolutely should be made to feel that his comment was unwelcome. Your effort is better. It's even ostensibly on topic. Though I think your concern is overblown. In my experience, the vast majority of church "monitoring" in this way is pretty reasonable, in the "hey, haven't seen you in a while, is everything OK? Can we help?" sense…

> Except by cults, who don't need this kind of software to control you anyway.

Religion is a cult, at least by the dictionary I am using. I don't really understand the entire religion/church environment, but of the few churches I have visited (I'm not religious) I was never asked to 'check in'; they keep no database of their attendees.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

#200

Why can't a church use a general purpose social network framework? How are the constraints/feature-needs different for a non-church group? I'm asking from a place of honest curiously. Could a non-religious community group use this? Could a church get by with a social networking tool built for non-religious groups?

Non-technical people aren't like technical people. They don't look at general-purpose software and think "hey, that's for me!" They look at general-purpose software and think "if that was for me, it would say so on the box." For this reason, software that is specifically targeted and marketed into a niche/vertical will usually get more traction in that vertical than a general-purpose alternative, even if both have th…

Yes. Why buy a "vehicle" when you specifically need a "pickup truck."
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