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Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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Doesn't $60 million in venture capital make this NOT an example of a bootstrapped company?

You don't think that surviving for 8 years without raising funding counts as "bootstrapped"?

The important question is: did it get to the billion dollar level before raising funds?

Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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post #94
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't $60 million in venture capital make this NOT an example of a bootstrapped company?

You don't think that surviving for 8 years without raising funding counts as "bootstrapped"?

Um.. no. and simply "surviving" for 8 years doesn't say anything. I can register a company today and in 8 years tell you that it "survived" for 8 years.

Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think that surviving for 8 years without raising funding counts as "bootstrapped"?

Um.. no. and simply "surviving" for 8 years doesn't say anything. I can register a company today and in 8 years tell you that it "survived" for 8 years.

This is quite pedantic. It's pretty clear that Atlassian survived in the context of employees, offices, and revenues.

Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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Dell, Apple, Cisco, Oracle, & Intel. Weren't those all bootstrapped?

According to a New Yorker article currently on HN, Intel's founders took VC investment as soon as they decided to quit Fairchild and start their own company.

Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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this is definitely not my forte but if VC thinks they could flip the company isn't there a more direct route than buying into a round for the sake of press?

You've got to own some shares to make money in an acquisition. It's not for the press.

wish i could delete my comment, i wasn't thinking

Re: Ask HN: Do bootstrapped billion-dollar companies exist?

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GoDaddy is actually not profitable. In 2013 the company lost $199.88 million and in 2012 they lost $279 million . http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/09/godaddy-files-for-100m-ipo/ (just a minor correction as I am not the biggest fan of GoDaddy)

This is an artifact of a longstanding issue that they've had with GAAP. They sell non-cancelable non-refundable multi-year services (like domain registrations) and receive cash up front for them. GAAP requires that they book that revenue on a pro-rata basis over time. This means that if it costs them $200 to acquire a new customer and that customer immediately whips out their CC and buys $1k of domains spread over te…

Fascinating - thanks for the explanation on this. I'm often surprised at how slow accounting practices are to catch up on business models that we see as commonplace in the tech world.
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