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Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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Re: Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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Well, there is a middle ground involving heartier plants that require little watering (and less maintenance to boot).

Denver Water coined the term "xeriscape" (xeros is Greek for "dry") to describe this. They have extensive documentation on how to make it happen, as well as a xeriscaped garden you can tour at their headquarters. http://www.denverwater.org/conservation/xeriscape/

I didn't know the word came from Denver, but now it's commonly pushed here in Florida, too, with demonstration lawns and such.

Re: Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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Mike Bostock and D3!

Exactly! I submitted it because @mbostock ( https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mbostock ) is a contributor here, and I think (?) this is his first direct appearance in the NYT. Congratulations!

Not true: Mike Bostock's stuff is all over the NYT website very frequently. He and Jeremy Ashkenas seem to be key players over there. Very inspiring work from both of them.

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We really, really need to stop growing lawn grass as a region.

I'm only 1 season in, but clover is nice. A part of the grass thing I think is the fairly recent desire to have a pure Fescue/Bermuda/etc grass lawn. I don't remember why, but a few months ago it popped into my head: You know, when I was a kid in Harlingen, there was clover everywhere. We'd pick a bit out of lawns as we roamed the neighborhood and chew on it. It's been decades since I've seen a neighborhood like that…

> I don't remember why, but a few months ago it popped into my head: You know, when I was a kid in Harlingen, there was clover everywhere. We'd pick a bit out of lawns as we roamed the neighborhood and chew on it. It's been decades since I've seen a neighborhood like that...

Clover was not considered a weed until the 1950s, when 2,4-D became the herbicide of choice.

Before then, seed companies intentionally added clover into their grass seed mixes. Clover will grow in nitrogen-deficient soil because it can fix nitrogen from the atmosphere. Grass cannot. If you wanted to avoid bare patches on your lawn, you needed the clover.

For example, the book Planting and Care of Lawns (1931) recommends planting lawns north of 35 N latitude with a mixture containing 5% clover: http://books.google.com/books?id=_vL1mNCfVDAC&pg=PA8

  For the greater part of region 1 the following mixture
  has proved quite satisfactory: Kentucky bluegrass 17 parts,
  redtop 2 parts, white clover 1 part by weight.
Once 2,4-D became popular, anything that it killed became regarded as a weed. This included clover, so clover became a weed.

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Mike Bostock and D3!

Glad someone pointed out the really weak "Hacker News" tie in. I thought I left global warming wars behind at slashdot.

Why is it global warming warriors decide to invade every tech board? Isn't there a global warming board somewhere they can argue on?

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Mike Bostock and D3!

Glad someone pointed out the really weak "Hacker News" tie in. I thought I left global warming wars behind at slashdot. Why is it global warming warriors decide to invade every tech board? Isn't there a global warming board somewhere they can argue on?

You didn't have to click on the link.

Also, your categorization of "global warming warriors" seems a bit senseless, as if there are not regular folks on HN who happen to also be interested in climate change.

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What's the evidence for the link between west coast droughts in recent years and global warming? (I'm not trying to start a debate, just genuinely asking).

I found the book "The West without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climatic Clues Tell Us about Tomorrow" very informative.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520268555

The authors describe their paleoclimatology research, what the water in the West has typically been, and how global warming may impact things (for the worse) - with some tips on mitigation.

Re: Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! I submitted it because @mbostock ( https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mbostock ) is a contributor here, and I think (?) this is his first direct appearance in the NYT. Congratulations!

Not true: Mike Bostock's stuff is all over the NYT website very frequently. He and Jeremy Ashkenas seem to be key players over there. Very inspiring work from both of them.

Thanks for the correction.

Re: Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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What's the evidence for the link between west coast droughts in recent years and global warming? (I'm not trying to start a debate, just genuinely asking).

I apologize for not having time right now to track down primary sources for you, but if you're interested in learning more about the current research specifically on this drought and climate, look up stuff related to the position and strength of the North Pacific High, how it's affected by the Arctic Oscillation (and decoupling of the AO from the North Atlantic Oscillation), and how those are related to extreme jet s…

Dr. Jennifer Francis at Rutgers has a great talk on the polar vortex and climate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETpm9JAdfcs (40m, polar vortex starts at 24m)

Full unedited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg (1h24m)

Re: Mapping the Spread of Drought Across the U.S

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I was left wondering the same thing. The author did not present evidence that global warming is the cause, and from the Palmer Drought Index data, the current drought appears no more severe than those of the 30s and 50s.

The evidence given in the article is "A 10-year average of Palmer values has been increasing for most of the last 20 years, which is to say that the country is in the midst of one of its most sustained periods of increasing drought on record." If the new normal is what used to be severe peaks than the west is in trouble. But looking at that graph, especially the non-smoothed light-grey line, I'd say we need another 1…

>But looking at that graph, especially the non-smoothed light-grey line, I'd say we need another 10 years of data to be sure that we are in a new pattern.

Ok, imagine it's a decade hence and we're all "sure" the Western US is in a new climate pattern (most likely because it's gotten worse).

What happens then?

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