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Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by [deleted] »

clarry wrote: post #52
pwnna wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is copy-paste broken? I never had issues. I don't have issues anymore with printing and networking. I understand that this stuff is per vendor so I usually do my research before buying (I have thinkpads, and my printers are all pretty friendly). I do see many windows computer fall over when printers connect to new wireless networks, though. As for mp3, flash, isn't is as simple as enabling a non-free repository a…

> Why is copy-paste broken? I never had issues. Different programs use different conventions. For example, shift+insert does not do the same thing in say, xterm and firefox.

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Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by sandGorgon »

zorbo wrote: post #53
sandGorgon wrote: post #27

Copy paste, printing and networking. Biggest usability misses of Linux. I don't consider these technical issues...but usability issues. Things like insisting on keeping the install ISO at 750 mb, leaves seamless driver support out of the todo list because...hey, there are no drivers anyway. I'm really surprised there is not a paid version of Linux with these features baked in. I would GLADLY pay for all these (as wel…

> Copy paste Out of curiosity, what do you feel is bad about copy-pasting under linux? It's inconsistent, but it's still the best copy-paste functionality I've experienced so far on any operating system. It'd be nice if all applications understood the dual clipboard, and if terminal applications behaved a bit better, but still.. by far the best of any OS as far as I'm concerned.

Inconsistency - again this is not about Ctrl c but rather some (any) consistency.

I truly envy the OSX guys, their consistency

P.S. google for IBM CUA . Linux is supposed to follow it, but doesn't. Macvim is more consistent than gvim !

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by krakensden »

zorbo wrote: post #55
clarry wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is copy-paste broken? I never had issues. Different programs use different conventions. For example, shift+insert does not do the same thing in say, xterm and firefox.

Interesting. I only noticed now that shift-insert in Firefox doesn't use PRIMARY but CLIPBOARD. I'm so used to middle mouse button paste that I never noticed. This is probably due to Firefox not using a native graphical toolkit.

Don't they use Gtk2 & Cairo?

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by hypercube »

ploxiln wrote: post #11

I stopped using NetworkManager years ago, I just use wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd directly (well I use the systemd services for these so they're started automatically). I also always name the 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks differently, and connect explicitly to the one I want. Yes it would be great if NetworkManager did the right things automatically, but the task might be impossible due to hardware and driver quirks. WiFi ch…

I always had troubles with the managers too, and now use wpa_supplicant directly combined with systemd-networkd. When a connection is established networkd automatically starts dhcp. I think it connects faster, and I've had no problems with wifi since I switched.

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by danielweber »

Someone1234 wrote: post #32
scrollaway wrote: post #28

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Sound isn't too great either. The BlueZ developers for example decided to drop HSF/HSP support in BlueZ 5.x [1], which means there is no way to get a bluetooth headset (with a microphone) working on Linux anymore; there's just no way. Although it's not like sound is great on Windows either. [1] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/5....

> Although it's not like sound is great on Windows either. Pre-Vista I might have agreed with you but now? I think Windows has quite good audio stack. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Wind...

Vista was the first time I suddenly found myself unable to use my headphones on a Windows machine. Sounds was forced to go out through the speakers. I eventually rebooted to fix it.

I feel things are moving backwards.

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by sciurus »

krakensden wrote: post #39
sandGorgon wrote: post #27

Copy paste, printing and networking. Biggest usability misses of Linux. I don't consider these technical issues...but usability issues. Things like insisting on keeping the install ISO at 750 mb, leaves seamless driver support out of the todo list because...hey, there are no drivers anyway. I'm really surprised there is not a paid version of Linux with these features baked in. I would GLADLY pay for all these (as wel…

I haven't had trouble with printing in years- in fact, I can basically print on everything with no configuration, and people with OS X and Windows laptops seem to have lots of problems.

Used many wireless printers or scanners?

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #57
pwnna wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is copy-paste broken? I never had issues. I don't have issues anymore with printing and networking. I understand that this stuff is per vendor so I usually do my research before buying (I have thinkpads, and my printers are all pretty friendly). I do see many windows computer fall over when printers connect to new wireless networks, though. As for mp3, flash, isn't is as simple as enabling a non-free repository a…

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Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by slacka »

I discovered this for myself after converting my parents 5 year old PC from XP to Linux Mint.

As you can see from the bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/852190 the kernel drivers are much buggier than the GPL'd Realtek drivers. But the official Realtek drivers don't work with newer kernel versions.

Fortunately there is: https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes

Does anyone know why doesn't the kernel adopt the official drivers? Is there anything I can do to help? What steps do I need to do?

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by legulere »

I kind of feel like some user facing stuff on linux gets developed not until it's in a good or perfect state but until it's bearable.

You can work with the GUIs for instance, but somehow they still feel very sluggish

Re: The sad state of Linux Wi-Fi

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Post by ghostwords »

I ended up blacklisting the built-in card on my ThinkPad X220 because it was too flaky to rely on:

  $ cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local.conf
  blacklist rtl8192ce
I use a USB adapter instead (SMCWUSB-N2), which, besides providing wireless internet, is a fine reminder to just get a MacBook next time.
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