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Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by davej »

dobbsbob wrote: post #32

If Snowden ever does get a trial, they won't prosecute him for anything he leaked to avoid his justifiable defense. He admitted transporting classified docs to China that were never released because the information did not involve illegal surveillance. They can put him away for life just for admitting to mishandling top secret data regardless if he released it or not. Pretty sure there are clear rules on storing that…

I'm not familiar with the whistleblower act but Snowden could legitimately argue that they were necessary steps towards "blowing the whistle". Snowden did not have the professional experience to be able to decide what information was safe to publish and in the public interest — so the responsible thing to do would be to present the documents to a professional while taking precautions to secure the data.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by davej »

dllthomas wrote: post #39
dublinben wrote: post #23

Does anyone find it slightly odd that Snowden was (quite obviously) joining the presentation over a Google hangout? I suppose it's better than a Skype call, but shouldn't he know better? I would expect him to insist on using Jitsi or something similar, like Jacob Appelbaum does for his appearances.

... because the NSA might be able to monitor his public broadcast?

Presumably they might be able to find the IP address he is using. It's very likely that he's running it through a few layers of VPN/proxy/Tor though.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by dllthomas »

davej wrote: post #42
dllthomas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... because the NSA might be able to monitor his public broadcast?

Presumably they might be able to find the IP address he is using. It's very likely that he's running it through a few layers of VPN/proxy/Tor though.

True, on both counts.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by josho »

davej wrote: post #41
dobbsbob wrote: post #32

If Snowden ever does get a trial, they won't prosecute him for anything he leaked to avoid his justifiable defense. He admitted transporting classified docs to China that were never released because the information did not involve illegal surveillance. They can put him away for life just for admitting to mishandling top secret data regardless if he released it or not. Pretty sure there are clear rules on storing that…

I'm not familiar with the whistleblower act but Snowden could legitimately argue that they were necessary steps towards "blowing the whistle". Snowden did not have the professional experience to be able to decide what information was safe to publish and in the public interest — so the responsible thing to do would be to present the documents to a professional while taking precautions to secure the data.

Your point is logically correct, but the grandparent is right as to what would happen in the real world.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by marvin »

josho wrote: post #44
davej wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with the whistleblower act but Snowden could legitimately argue that they were necessary steps towards "blowing the whistle". Snowden did not have the professional experience to be able to decide what information was safe to publish and in the public interest — so the responsible thing to do would be to present the documents to a professional while taking precautions to secure the data.

Your point is logically correct, but the grandparent is right as to what would happen in the real world.

Which is actually really scary, when you think about it! Because sidestepping the law when someone in power has been embarassed is the thing that totalitarian states do. Democracies under the rule of law are supposed to follow the spirit of the law. So maybe that's worth thinking about.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by pinpoll »

dbrian wrote: post #26
pinpoll wrote: post #24

We asked our community if Edward is either a "Traitor or Hero" - a stunning 72.85 % think the latter :) https://pinpoll.net/poll/1804

The two aren't mutually exclusive. He's kind of like Batman. He might operate outside of the law but he's a hero to the people and fights corruption in the system.

Solid points, dbrian! Also reminds me of Julian Assange.

And the lesson I took from my comment: never ever post a link to your own website (even if there's relevant content behind it), people here seem to immediately think of spam and downvote :(

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by droopybuns »

acqq wrote: post #36
droopybuns wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eek. I didn't intend to sound trollish. I was on a mobile earlier and it didn't encourage great eloquence. I greatly admire Ellsberg's courage and moral consistency.

Thanks a lot for the explanation droopybuns. Do see the documentary once, I'd be interested to know your impression on it.

Is there anywhere I can download it? seems like it is physical media only. no itunes, no netflix...

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by acqq »

droopybuns wrote: post #47
acqq wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks a lot for the explanation droopybuns. Do see the documentary once, I'd be interested to know your impression on it.

Is there anywhere I can download it? seems like it is physical media only. no itunes, no netflix...

I don't know of any way to pay to watch it on-line directly. I guess to support the producers at this moment you'd have to order the DVD. I have an impression that the film can still be found on-line with the search engines, some place where some user posted it on some video platform and it's still not removed, but I haven't actually tried.

Yes, somebody should also suggest to the producers to make the film available for on-line purchases (I'm too lazy to be that somebody this time).

You can read the DVD reviews on amazon.com to get the idea how people respond to it. Amazon sells the DVD cheaper than the official site.

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