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Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by tvon »

masklinn wrote: post #22
psranga wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, one is an equal partnership, the other isn't. The unpaid internship law serves to give some protections to the little guy. Btw, I really don't understand why a billionaire (?) can't afford to pay hourly minimum wages to a bunch of kids.

> Hmm, one is an equal partnership, the other isn't. Is it really? Is SM play "an equal partnership" between master and slave?

Uh, it's not like the "slave" is someone the "master" just kidnapped. It's an agreed upon situation with an established "safe word" the "slave" can utter at any time to stop whatever is happening.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by apotheon »

pradocchia wrote: post #26
rapind wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think his argument is that it would not be a waste of time for the intern who would gain some experience, skills and resume building if they had nothing better to do. However the profits for his business would not be enough to justify minimum wage. I don't think his net worth is relevant to the argument. Regardless I agree with the gov, which I stated in a previous reply.

> However the profits for his business would not be enough to justify minimum wage. I think he gave the game away here: One silver lining of a “great recession” that we are now in is that there are a lot of incredibly talented people without jobs, or who have lost their jobs....I thought we could assemble a talented group who would enjoy the internships and could also gain valuable experience to add to their resumes.…

So . . . the fact you don't want him to be able to benefit from an internship is good enough reason to make sure the would-be interns don't get to benefit from it either. Is that it?

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by timmaah »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #20
timmaah wrote: post #17

Where our politicians would rather see you pay out of your pocket to go back to school rather than get valuable on the job experience. huh.?. from what I have seen, politics almost runs on interns. Every politician and political organisation has unpaid interns doing real work. The whitehouse has hundreds.. http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/Internships/

Is The Whitehouse a for profit privately owned business (eg via stock).

I understand that.. but the fact that the white house and politicians he rails against have interns show that they think it is a positive experience.

They also know a for-profit business should be paying their workers.

(Not to say I agree one way or the other. It is a fine line between experience and exploitation)

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

#34

Post by ahoyhere »

kingkongrevenge wrote: post #24
ahoyhere wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employment is not a private act, it has huge social ramifications.

Procreation and norms of marriage and family have enormous social ramifications. There is no distinction.

I'm sorry, but the two have nothing to do with each other. And, honestly, I'm aghast to find such poor reasoning on HN.

Employment shapes society. Employment pays taxes, puts rooves over people's heads, causes stress and worry (what if I lose my job!?), informs societal choices regarding basic social services (tied to company healthcare). Finally, employment is a public act because it is a market -- if Joe works for free, that creates market pressure for Tina to work for free, too.

With the exception of (almost entirely illegal) sex trade...

1. Sex does not house people

2. Sex does not employ people

3. Joe doing it up the butt does not affect your ability to find a partner

4. Tina engaging in fellatio with her husband does not affect your ability to find a partner

5. Couples not having babies does not affect other couples' ability to have babies

6. None of this affects healthcare or taxes

It's simple: it's not a market.

That's why employment is a public act.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by apotheon »

imp wrote: post #27
psranga wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, one is an equal partnership, the other isn't. The unpaid internship law serves to give some protections to the little guy. Btw, I really don't understand why a billionaire (?) can't afford to pay hourly minimum wages to a bunch of kids.

He probably didn't become a billionaire without trying to find ways to cut costs as much as possible. He's not running a charity.

> He's not running a charity.

I think that's the problem -- people don't want him to help people if it's not a purely charitable effort, for some reason. If he actually derives material benefit from it, that makes him evil.

I don't get that attitude, but for some reason that seems to be how people view it.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

#36

Post by gabrielroth »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #2

A strange fact popped into my mind, after reading this story and remembering some comments on the "Turing deserves an apology" story. Many people will say that two consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom. As soon as the act those adults want to do becomes nonsexual (e.g. an unpaid internship, unlicensed medicine), that principle goes out the window. Very confusing…

Under the 13th Amendment, you don't have the right to sell yourself into slavery in the United States. That is, you can't sign a contract under which I pay your family $n and in return you work for me under conditions of slavery. Prohibitions on unpaid labor are an extension of this restriction on your freedom to enter into contract of your own free will.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by apotheon »

ahoyhere wrote: post #12

As if the job market weren't already too much of a "buyer's market." So many Americans are held hostage by their jobs because of the lack of good unemployment/severance and the deathgrip of health insurance. I don't see any reason to encourage the situation even more by having some jobs - that are actually jobs - be for no pay. Working for no pay on your own company is still totally legal and, whaddaya know, also kno…

> Working for no pay on your own company is still totally legal and, whaddaya know, also known for giving a person experience.

. . . but useless for getting your foot in the job field's door, because you have to already be there to "take advantage" of that "opportunity". Your "solution" completely ignores the catch 22 of needing a job to get experience and needing experience to get a job.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by JimmyL »

timmaah wrote: post #17

Where our politicians would rather see you pay out of your pocket to go back to school rather than get valuable on the job experience. huh.?. from what I have seen, politics almost runs on interns. Every politician and political organisation has unpaid interns doing real work. The whitehouse has hundreds.. http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/Internships/

Congress and the White House have always been exempt from most workplace and labour regulations - for example, you can't file an OSHA complaint if you work in a Senator's office.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

#39

Post by apotheon »

ahoyhere wrote: post #34
kingkongrevenge wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Procreation and norms of marriage and family have enormous social ramifications. There is no distinction.

I'm sorry, but the two have nothing to do with each other. And, honestly, I'm aghast to find such poor reasoning on HN. Employment shapes society. Employment pays taxes, puts rooves over people's heads, causes stress and worry (what if I lose my job!?), informs societal choices regarding basic social services (tied to company healthcare). Finally, employment is a public act because it is a market -- if Joe works for…

I don't know if you've noticed, but sex creates people.
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