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Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by psranga »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #2

A strange fact popped into my mind, after reading this story and remembering some comments on the "Turing deserves an apology" story. Many people will say that two consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom. As soon as the act those adults want to do becomes nonsexual (e.g. an unpaid internship, unlicensed medicine), that principle goes out the window. Very confusing…

Hmm, one is an equal partnership, the other isn't.

The unpaid internship law serves to give some protections to the little guy.

Btw, I really don't understand why a billionaire (?) can't afford to pay hourly minimum wages to a bunch of kids.

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Post by ahoyhere »

As if the job market weren't already too much of a "buyer's market." So many Americans are held hostage by their jobs because of the lack of good unemployment/severance and the deathgrip of health insurance. I don't see any reason to encourage the situation even more by having some jobs - that are actually jobs - be for no pay.

Working for no pay on your own company is still totally legal and, whaddaya know, also known for giving a person experience.

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Post by ahoyhere »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #2

A strange fact popped into my mind, after reading this story and remembering some comments on the "Turing deserves an apology" story. Many people will say that two consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom. As soon as the act those adults want to do becomes nonsexual (e.g. an unpaid internship, unlicensed medicine), that principle goes out the window. Very confusing…

Employment is not a private act, it has huge social ramifications.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

drhodes wrote: post #4

So call it volunteering? Surely volunteers are not illegal yet.

So "the government thinks we should pay people who work for us, but what we're going to do is prey on the jobless and exploit their desire for a job in the future, we'll use that hope for a job to get them to volunteer to work for us - then we can dump them and get some more suckers later, we'll be even more rich and they can starve for all we care".

Volunteering should not be illegal. Having people "volunteer" as a way around paying them to do work for you should be. Differentiating these positions is pretty hard - a simplification might be that volunteers can work free for a charity but not for a for-profit business.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by krschultz »

pjvandehaar wrote: post #8

He'd lose a little money, but couldn't he pay them minimum wage and then charge them $7/hour for the training he's giving them(just like the martial arts schools)? Also, if his company is him and a bunch of interns, who's going to sue him?

His company is very large. He owns the Dallas Mavericks basketball team and HDnet, along with a bunch of other smaller things. Plenty of money for lawyers to go after.

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Post by timmaah »

Where our politicians would rather see you pay out of your pocket to go back to school rather than get valuable on the job experience.

huh.?. from what I have seen, politics almost runs on interns. Every politician and political organisation has unpaid interns doing real work. The whitehouse has hundreds..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/Internships/

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Post by cperciva »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #2

A strange fact popped into my mind, after reading this story and remembering some comments on the "Turing deserves an apology" story. Many people will say that two consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom. As soon as the act those adults want to do becomes nonsexual (e.g. an unpaid internship, unlicensed medicine), that principle goes out the window. Very confusing…

unlicensed medicine

That's completely different. The licensing of medical practitioners is not based on any notion of protecting society from deviant behaviour; it is based on the need to protect vulnerable individuals from fraud.

I have no problem with consenting individuals engaging in sex acts or internships, with or without pay -- but I absolutely believe that fraud, in all its forms, should be illegal, since a fraudulent transaction is not one between truly consenting individuals.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

cwan wrote: post #5

They're the same issues with minimum wage. The "minimum wage brings minimum jobs" because it hurts those with the least experience the most ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/johnstossel/2009/08/new-video-minim... ). The irony is that people who call themselves advocates for the poor pushing for increasingly higher minimum wages actually hurt the poor with these policies.

The issue of min wage came up here before - the studies I found were mainly inconclusive, it's a hard one to test. One that came up, was a test in the food service industry (low waged) either side of a state border, one side with min wage the other without. It showed that the min wage tended to increased employment and improve the financial position for those employed with minimum wage vs. those in a non-min wage position. Indeed a larger increase in the in wage over the surrounding areas led to higher employment still.

I'll see if I can dig out that study later.

Re: Want an Unpaid Internship So You Can Get Valuable Experience ? – Screw You

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

timmaah wrote: post #17

Where our politicians would rather see you pay out of your pocket to go back to school rather than get valuable on the job experience. huh.?. from what I have seen, politics almost runs on interns. Every politician and political organisation has unpaid interns doing real work. The whitehouse has hundreds.. http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/Internships/

Is The Whitehouse a for profit privately owned business (eg via stock).
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