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Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by jakejake »

swah wrote: post #21

Was it essential for this project to use PHP to compete with Wordpress? In other words, does cheap, cheap hosting still imply PHP?

I don't think it was a case of "let's make the next greatest CMS... what language should we choose..?" I suspect it was more like "what can we build to showcase Symfony." So, using PHP is somewhat the point of the project.

But, considering your question more generically as far as if you wanted to write a Wordpress killer must it be written in PHP? I would say that currently the answer is yes. PHP hosting is ubiquitous and you would face an uphill battle if you also had to wait for shared host providers to provide another environment.

It's kinda chicken/egg thing. If customers start requesting Erlang being installed on shared hosting then providers will start offering it. The thing is, most Wordpress customers don't give two shits about what language their CMS is written in. I'd argue that many of them don't even know what language it is written in.

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by adamors »

nek4life wrote: post #27
adamors wrote: post #16

I was excited until I got to this: > Razr Template Engine Even if you don't like Twig (why wouldn't you?) there are at least a dozen template engines already. I wonder in what other places did NIH take over?

Pretty sure Razor is a .NET thing. This looks like the same syntax. The Play framework's Scala based template engine is based on it as well.

There is at least one other popular PHP templating engine based on Razor, called Blade.

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by snowwrestler »

na85 wrote: post #30
snowwrestler wrote: post #19

For those who don't know, the next version of Drupal (Drupal 8) has incorporated components of the Symfony project into the core CMS code. http://symfony.com/blog/symfony2-meets-drupal-8 It's still called Drupal, but in many ways it is sounding like a new CMS compared to Drupal 7.

My experience with building products with Drupal 6/7 is that it's great if your use case involves staying within the very rigid boundaries of what Drupal canonically does. If you need something custom or if you need highly-performant code, you're better off writing it from the ground up, because otherwise Drupal fights you the whole way.

I think developer flexibility is one reason they are making such big changes in the architecture for Drupal 8.

That said, well-written custom code should outperform CMS code, because the CMS has to carry more overhead to offer flexibility for more people. That's true of any CMS.

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by krrishd »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #29
jasonlfunk wrote: post #11

I've been looking forward to someone publishing a new CMS. WordPress is great, but I've been wanting something new and fresh. I got the alpha installed and it looks good but there is still work to do, but I like what I see. Keep it up!

If you're into shiny new things, I'd recommend Keystone: http://keystonejs.com/ "Node.js CMS and web application platform built on Express and MongoDB." It's a pain to get going on a Windows machine, but I got it working on my Linux box inside of 10 minutes. If you're on a Mac, its probably about the same time to get up and running. It also uses Jade for templates along with Markdown.

Personally, after using Keystone a couple times, I've found it to be more analogous to something like Django or Drupal; it's more of a content management system framework.

Nevertheless, it's a great tool.

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by jordanlev »

Killswitch wrote: post #12

Awesome project, being a PHP developer, I was waiting for someone to launch something that could take some share away from Wordpress. I dig Ghost, and their initiative, but I was not thrilled with it going on Node.js as it'll not be adapted by Wordpress users.

There are so many other CMS's... some of which are better than wordpress (for certain people / certain workflows / certain tasks).

I'm a huge fan of Concrete5 (http://concrete5.org) for small- to medium- sized informational sites. Relatively easy to theme, somewhat easy to develop against, and by far the easiest page editing interface for non-technical end-users (it's all done on the front-end, not in the dashboard).

ProcessWire (http://processwire.com) is also one that looks really good -- stays completely out of your way in terms of the markup, and is a very rational system that is built up from very simple conceptual building blocks to give you the flexibility to build whatever kind of site you need to.

If "take some share away from wordpress" is what you're after (as opposed to "a CMS that is better than wordpress for my own needs), perhaps OctoberCMS (http://octobercms.com/) is the ticket? It was recently launched and appears to have a lot of momentum behind it and a great community around it (probably because it's based on the Laravel framework, which also has a lot of momentum and a great community around it).

Someone else mentioned CraftCMS as well, although that's not free/open source.

Not to mention the copious static site generators that are popular right now (although asking non-technical customers to edit text files on a server is not feasible, so those are mostly for developer or product sites in my opinion).

Best of luck!

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by dubcanada »

kyriakos wrote: post #2

Will be watching this project. My first concern though is that Symphony & Doctrine could be an overkill for small sites on shared hosting.

Drupal is not exactly same, in some instances Symphony + Doctrine is smaller then Drupal.

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by instanthero »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #11

I've been looking forward to someone publishing a new CMS. WordPress is great, but I've been wanting something new and fresh. I got the alpha installed and it looks good but there is still work to do, but I like what I see. Keep it up!

I've used the Kunstmaan CMS a few times, also very easy to use. Also built with bundles (Symfony2). http://bundles.kunstmaan.be

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by u124556 »

snarkyturtle wrote: post #15

With the explosions of frameworks lately, it's refreshing to see that people are still working on CMSs. It's interesting, though, why they made their own templating language rather than use an existing one (twig, for example, is used by OctoberCMS and there's even a Wordpress plugin.) Also in terms of clients, it'd probably be useful to have a wysiwyg editor or even just editable sub-fields that you can set for each…

It looks (and sounds) like the [Razor](http://www.asp.net/web-pages/tutorials/basics/2-introduction...) template engine for asp.net, so maybe somebody there liked it? (because there's no way they think their target market has experience with that engine...)

Re: Show HN: Pagekit – A new, modern CMS built with Symfony components

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Post by snide »

snarkyturtle wrote: post #15

With the explosions of frameworks lately, it's refreshing to see that people are still working on CMSs. It's interesting, though, why they made their own templating language rather than use an existing one (twig, for example, is used by OctoberCMS and there's even a Wordpress plugin.) Also in terms of clients, it'd probably be useful to have a wysiwyg editor or even just editable sub-fields that you can set for each…

Just an option, but I built a CMS system[1] that actually generates static websites that comes with options for WYSIWYG or markdown. It's node powered, but if you're a php coder it might not be what you want, but we do use the Swig template language (based off twig, based off django...etc). The biggest thing really is that it stores all it's data in a firebase, so the actual CMS is realtime even if the website is compiled staticly.

We're launching later this week, but I can sneak you in early if you'd like. Just send an email to dave@webhook.com

[1] http://www.webhook.com

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