Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
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Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#2So does the bandwidth get offloaded or underwritten by all the individual homeowners or businesses that let the antennas tap into their connections? Would comcast slap someone down for sharing their network connection via the mesh?
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#3So does the bandwidth get offloaded or underwritten by all the individual homeowners or businesses that let the antennas tap into their connections? Would comcast slap someone down for sharing their network connection via the mesh?
I don't have an answer to that but if traffic was encrypted then Comcast "shouldn't" care and should act as the pipes that they should be...
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#4So does the bandwidth get offloaded or underwritten by all the individual homeowners or businesses that let the antennas tap into their connections? Would comcast slap someone down for sharing their network connection via the mesh?
All "consumer" broadband prohibits sharing the in TOS, so to do this legally they'd need to buy some transit (which may still turn out to be cheaper, since almost all of the price of broadband pays for maintenance of the last mile, not bandwidth).
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#5So does the bandwidth get offloaded or underwritten by all the individual homeowners or businesses that let the antennas tap into their connections? Would comcast slap someone down for sharing their network connection via the mesh?
I don't have an answer to that but if traffic was encrypted then Comcast "shouldn't" care and should act as the pipes that they should be...
LOL. Good luck with that.
It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted.
I'm all for the creation of bypass networks but suggesting that connecting those networks to a cable modem connection is just going to end badly.
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#6Does it really count as a mesh if there's only two nodes?
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have an answer to that but if traffic was encrypted then Comcast "shouldn't" care and should act as the pipes that they should be...
LOL. Good luck with that. It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted. I'm all for the creation of bypass networks but suggesting that connecting those networks to a cable modem connection is just going to end badly.
"It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted."
It is? How? How could you possibly differentiate traffic coming from a single household with high bandwidth usage and a single person sharing their connection if it's all tunnelled over a VPN?
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
LOL. Good luck with that. It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted. I'm all for the creation of bypass networks but suggesting that connecting those networks to a cable modem connection is just going to end badly.
"It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted." It is? How? How could you possibly differentiate traffic coming from a single household with high bandwidth usage and a single person sharing their connection if it's all tunnelled over a VPN?
I won't go into detail here, but consider how de-anonymization of TOR network users is done with multiple layers of onion routing and encryption. All that needs to happen is that you correlate the injection of traffic to a particular node and then watch the actual traffic from a cable modem. You don't need to see the decrypted packets, you just need to know that when I inject N packets into a particular node, I get N packets out. Synchronized over a sufficiently long time series in a pattern that's only known to the attacker and you'll get a statistical certainty that a particular cable modem is being used for this kind of application and presto, your household is banned from the service.
Like I said, trivial.
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
LOL. Good luck with that. It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted. I'm all for the creation of bypass networks but suggesting that connecting those networks to a cable modem connection is just going to end badly.
"It's trivially easy to detect this kind of TOS abuse, even if the traffic is encrypted." It is? How? How could you possibly differentiate traffic coming from a single household with high bandwidth usage and a single person sharing their connection if it's all tunnelled over a VPN?
For one thing, traffic patterns, and the VPN endpoint would be a clue.
Re: Oakland's Sudo Mesh Looks to Counter the Digital Divide With a Mesh Network
#10This is extremely awesome, I know some of the Sudo folks, great job all around.
I hope the noisebridge reboot can bring them in to this territory of Getting Shit Done.
One side note, there is already 2 wireless ISPs in san francisco. The very-corporate WebPass and the super-hackery monkeybrains.
The latter folk are awesome, overworked but deliver exceptional ISP value!