The Downward Spiral of Microdata

profil wrote: post #3

csdrane wrote: post #2

Site is down for me. Anyone have a mirror?

Down for me too. Found this: http://web.archive.org/web/20140719161748/http://manu.sporny...

Thanks.

@pg do you think having automatic archived mirrors linked on all submission would be detrimental to linked articles ?

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by kator » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 3:02 PM UTC

We've all been talking about "The Semantic Web" for a very long time. I would love to be proven wrong but it all reminds me of EDI[1] which for more then 30 years has tried to develop standards around data formats. I think all of these efforts so far have been doomed to die a horrible death because they don't have an obvious benefit for those involved in the massive investment required to get it right. I think theoretically it's wonderful to imagine a world of infinitely parseable machine consumable information. If anything the robots will appreciate it when they take over the world. Meanwhile I'm not convinced that Humans can attach enough value to the effort to make it worthwhile. But I could be wrong, this wouldn't be the first time and I hope not the last time. :-)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_data_interchange

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by kator » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 3:06 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #4

profil wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Down for me too. Found this: http://web.archive.org/web/20140719161748/http://manu.sporny...

Thanks. @pg do you think having automatic archived mirrors linked on all submission would be detrimental to linked articles ?

The slashdot[1] effect has been around for a long time.

Auto mirroring would be nice but at the same time it leaves a lot of open questions about content ownership, ability of the content owner to edit, monetize etc. The New York Times would not be happy if HN links were automatically mirrored and I imagine they'd be quick to protect their rights on that front.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotted

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by TeMPOraL » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 3:18 PM UTC

kator wrote: post #6

agumonkey wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. @pg do you think having automatic archived mirrors linked on all submission would be detrimental to linked articles ?

The slashdot[1] effect has been around for a long time. Auto mirroring would be nice but at the same time it leaves a lot of open questions about content ownership, ability of the content owner to edit, monetize etc. The New York Times would not be happy if HN links were automatically mirrored and I imagine they'd be quick to protect their rights on that front. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotted

If not auto-mirror then at least links to Google Cache and Webarchive in the interface would probably be welcome.

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by snomad » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 3:50 PM UTC

To be clear, is this stating the format as outlined on Schema (http://schema.org/) is dead?

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by VLM » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 3:57 PM UTC

kator wrote: post #6

agumonkey wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. @pg do you think having automatic archived mirrors linked on all submission would be detrimental to linked articles ?

The slashdot[1] effect has been around for a long time. Auto mirroring would be nice but at the same time it leaves a lot of open questions about content ownership, ability of the content owner to edit, monetize etc. The New York Times would not be happy if HN links were automatically mirrored and I imagine they'd be quick to protect their rights on that front. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotted

Even just a summary? We've got nothing. The site is down and even the archive.org link above isn't responding.

My guess just based on title is something along the lines of silos are bad so lets make a better silo. But, our silo will be a really nice silo. Forgetting that's what everyone has been doing forever. The wheel of IT rotates forever and this is a very old idea that fits the title.

Re: The Downward Spiral of Microdata

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Post by sp332 » Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 4:04 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #7

kator wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slashdot[1] effect has been around for a long time. Auto mirroring would be nice but at the same time it leaves a lot of open questions about content ownership, ability of the content owner to edit, monetize etc. The New York Times would not be happy if HN links were automatically mirrored and I imagine they'd be quick to protect their rights on that front. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotted

If not auto-mirror then at least links to Google Cache and Webarchive in the interface would probably be welcome.

You could install Resurrect Pages https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/resurrect-pag... which gives you links to IA and Google caches with a right-click.