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Re: No Russian

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Post by acqq »

lclarkmichalek wrote: post #21
acqq wrote: post #2

See however the previous extreme plane shootings, around 370 deaths total, by the US and Ukraine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 "shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988," "All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died" "The Fogarty report stated, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence infor…

This article isn't actually about the shooting down of any flights. It's about the more general way the Russian government operates. Maybe it would have been a better article had it not mentioned any flights, lest the conversation be derailed by debate over the causes & outcomes of the recent tragedy.

> This article isn't actually about the shooting down of any flights.

Have you read it?

It actually writes:

"The mass murder of passengers & crew of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 using Russian’s weapons and (most likely) by hands of Russian military squad exposed to the world that Russia is now complicit in committing crimes against humanity."

Now what do you think about proved US and Ukrainian plane shootings? Aren't they crimes?

Re: No Russian

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Post by x4m »

egao1980 wrote: post #36

This is one of the typical rants by Russian immigrant who enjoyed top quality free education in USSR/Russia which made his success possible (+ no student loans), left during turmoil of 1990-2000s and still judging Russia on that bad memories basis. Article is full of clichés and gives general FOX news feel while reading. I lived in Moscow in 2011 and I'm part of that creative class he mentions and no one in my social…

Confirm that. I'm from Yekaterinburg, and Max rant seems to me just exagerated imagination of someone who haven't been here for decade.

Re: No Russian

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Post by lafar6502 »

Great read, I like how author's perspective and distance helps him see through a layer of lies and propaganda. I have russian and ukrainian friends and they confirm everything said in the post, they left their home countries because they didn't feel safe there.

Re: No Russian

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Post by CmonDev »

"Modern Russia is not a weaker version of Soviet Union “empire of evil.” This capability is, thankfully, long gone." - empire of evil is still alive and well, after defeating the Soviet Union and is still seeking for new proper enemies (will it be you, China?).

Re: No Russian

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Post by DominikR »

This is one of the most racist articles I've read in a long time.

But it's the US enemy, so I guess it's okay to write:

"The population at large is, statistically speaking, not very bright. Many are deranged from overuse of alcohol or drugs."

You could easily replace the word "Russian" with the N-word and post this article on some white power blog.

Re: No Russian

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Post by DominikR »

baddox wrote: post #17
acqq wrote: post #2

See however the previous extreme plane shootings, around 370 deaths total, by the US and Ukraine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 "shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988," "All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died" "The Fogarty report stated, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence infor…

Most people will probably say the key difference is that the US incident was a mistaken attempt to defend an imminent attack, rather than a terrorist attack. Being perhaps more cynical, I would say the key difference is that Russia is not the biggest kid on the playground.

Really? What makes you believe that the incident a few days ago didn't happen for the exact same reasons?

We do not even know who shot the plane down, but what we do know is that the captain who shot down the Iranian plane received medals and was promoted after the incident.

Re: No Russian

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Post by avmich »

egao1980 wrote: post #36

This is one of the typical rants by Russian immigrant who enjoyed top quality free education in USSR/Russia which made his success possible (+ no student loans), left during turmoil of 1990-2000s and still judging Russia on that bad memories basis. Article is full of clichés and gives general FOX news feel while reading. I lived in Moscow in 2011 and I'm part of that creative class he mentions and no one in my social…

Max article seems spot on. The blame is on Russian brand - which is hijacked by current Russia power structure, not on the Russian people per se, even though they share the responsibility for that kind of government. Cliches here, unfortunately, are rooted in realities - it's sad, but compare Russia with a failed state is probably not too much of an exaggeration. The fact that US has its own corruption does little justification to - much bigger, in my opinion - problems in Russia.

Re: No Russian

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Post by egao1980 »

jwr wrote: post #22
bloat wrote: post #11

This is not a serious article. It is a rant. "The population at large is, statistically speaking, not very bright. Many are deranged from overuse of alcohol or drugs."

... and yet it is a quite accurate portrayal of the current situation in Russia. I should know - I'm Polish and my country was annexed by Russia on several occasions. I would add that the western EU countries seem to have learned nothing from history. Trying to appease a country with ambitions to become an empire, that annexes neighboring countries -- let's see, haven't we seen that before?

And if we are going back to the times of Polish annexation we can remember Polish people robbing Russia, burning Moscow, trying to put Polish dude on the throne and best part - exploitation of Ukrainians :). And yes, Poland is also known for imperial ambitions. Generally European history is full of wars and mutual blame. Take UK for example - conquered by French and ruled by German dynasty.

So once again, please, stop blaming Russia, go on with your life, build better country for you to live in.

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