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Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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Gotta wonder about the schematic, looks like it's wrong. The battery and the cathode of the opto is not connected correctly.

Looks correct to me. The idea is to trigger in the absence of the laser---i.e., when the beam is broken by a projectile.

When the laser shines on the base of the phototransistor, the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors. Assuming the laser causes sufficient electron-hole pair generation in the base, the transistor can pull a bit more than 1mA (5V/4.7k) from the battery; the photodiode inside the optocoupler then has 0V across it, and the output of the opto is high-Z (i.e., not conducting).

In reality, the phototransistor's collector won't pull much closer than a couple hundred millivolts to its emitter while conducting that much current (the transistor goes into saturation), but that's fine: most optocoupler diodes have a forward drop of 2V or more when they're conducting sufficient current to turn on the output.

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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$2 sounds really cheap--did I miss the laser on the bill of materials? Anyone else hoping for a modern and inexpensive replacement for the legendary classic EG&G microflash?

I picked up a 1 mW pointer for £1.98 on eBay. That's about $3.38 USD.

> I’m only including the cost of components, and not things like cables, breadboards or the laser pointer (or flash).

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #8

This post completely sums up what makes HN great.

Find that lately there are less of this kind of Hacking articles and those talking about interesting and inusual things, and much more about New frameworks or libraries.

I went back into the archive and tried to run into a hardware hacking post before a framework post. It went, startup, startup, Google buys YouTube, startup, startup, then this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1981 (2694 days ago). I couldn't find evidence that this site cut its teeth on hardware hacking.

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #8

This post completely sums up what makes HN great.

Find that lately there are less of this kind of Hacking articles and those talking about interesting and inusual things, and much more about New frameworks or libraries.

And the Gold Rush! I like original stuff like this. Sometimes, if I feel like pulling off my head when I have to read about another App. Yes, I know this is a Programers site, so I expect to read about New Apps, and Websites, but there seems to be a plethora of Developers just looking for the next big payday? It seems like the only people getting rich are the one's who market to developer masses, or if you get lucky Mark might buy your App for 3 Billion dollars.(I still haven't recovered from that transaction. I believe they only had one vague patent?)

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #12

Gotta wonder about the schematic, looks like it's wrong. The battery and the cathode of the opto is not connected correctly.

Looks correct to me. The idea is to trigger in the absence of the laser---i.e., when the beam is broken by a projectile. When the laser shines on the base of the phototransistor, the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors. Assuming the laser causes sufficient electron-hole pair generation in the base, the transistor can pull a bit more than 1mA (5V/4.7k) from the battery; the photodiode insi…

I don't see how the opto can ever be turned on? Its cathode is always at highest potential in the left half circuit.

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #17
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks correct to me. The idea is to trigger in the absence of the laser---i.e., when the beam is broken by a projectile. When the laser shines on the base of the phototransistor, the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors. Assuming the laser causes sufficient electron-hole pair generation in the base, the transistor can pull a bit more than 1mA (5V/4.7k) from the battery; the photodiode insi…

I don't see how the opto can ever be turned on? Its cathode is always at highest potential in the left half circuit.

Yeah, the LED in the opto isn't even connected correctly. I doubt it would ever light up. I left a post on the website explaining how it should have been setup.

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #17
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks correct to me. The idea is to trigger in the absence of the laser---i.e., when the beam is broken by a projectile. When the laser shines on the base of the phototransistor, the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors. Assuming the laser causes sufficient electron-hole pair generation in the base, the transistor can pull a bit more than 1mA (5V/4.7k) from the battery; the photodiode insi…

I don't see how the opto can ever be turned on? Its cathode is always at highest potential in the left half circuit.

Ah, I see the confusion. The power supply should be connected such that the positive terminal is on the left. If you look at the breadboard, you can see that this is, in fact, what's built. My description of the circuit's operation above is accurate when the power supply is properly connected.

Re: Show HN: A high-speed laser camera trigger for under $2

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post #12

Gotta wonder about the schematic, looks like it's wrong. The battery and the cathode of the opto is not connected correctly.

Looks correct to me. The idea is to trigger in the absence of the laser---i.e., when the beam is broken by a projectile. When the laser shines on the base of the phototransistor, the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors. Assuming the laser causes sufficient electron-hole pair generation in the base, the transistor can pull a bit more than 1mA (5V/4.7k) from the battery; the photodiode insi…

>the transistor pulls current from the node between the two resistors

The battery is connected incorrectly for this scenario to work. Node 2 of R2 should be connected to the positive battery terminal for correct flow to the LED.

>the phototransistor's collector won't pull much closer than a couple hundred millivolts to its emitter while conducting that much current

The transistor won't operate like that given the way it is biased in the circuit.

>most optocoupler diodes have a forward drop of 2V or more

The data sheet for this opto lists the forward voltage drop as 1.3 - 1.7 volts.

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