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Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

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Asking to learn. I travel often all over India and most parts of Africa. I have consistently received cell phone signals in 90% of the places. Local sim cards are easily available and the prices are ~20cents per message. In this context, I wonder the need of such a device. In fact having yet another device to charge is a bigger concern. I can see situations where this is helpful, but I think it is in the minority.

I live in the US (Los Angeles) and there are plenty of places where this functionality (if not the form factor) would come in handy. For example, service can get spotty in underground parking structures (common in LA) making it impossible to text someone nearby to ask "where did you park?" Another place that has bad reception is Disneyland. There are no towers inside the park and the berm that separates the park from the city of Anaheim seems to block out signals pretty well, so this device would help groups keep in contact there.

While traveling, two places that come to mind where cell reception is nonexistant would be hiking in the mountains or while at sea. My wife and I bring walkie-talkies on cruise ships, but an SMS is more discreet than a chirp and speakerphone.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#112
It's a walkie talkie that uses a BT audio connection to your phone to use the mic and speaker of your phone as the mic and speaker for the walkie talkie, brilliant as many people will think it is magic cellular. Save yourself a lot of money and just buy a walkie talkie with it's own regular mic and speaker.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often are you getting non-line-of-sight propagation with MURS?

Most of the time. We live in NYC and have gotten anywhere from 0.5 mile to 3.5 miles range here, depending what part of the city you're in. There's nearly no such thing as LOS in a city unless, say, you're in a skyscraper ;)

Ah, I'm just surprised that buildings ended up mattering when you were deciding between 150MHz or 900MHz.

While people like to complain about the frequency getting higher and propagation dropping off (especially related to 2.4GHz and 5GHz wifi), I haven't found a good paper that guarantees that's the case. Anecdotally, I can receive a 5GHz signal in my office in Manhattan from a radar in Floyd Bennett Field, 12 miles away, with buildings in the way. Similarly, inside my apartment, I have much better luck with 440MHz radio communication than 144MHz communication. (Ground floor, so not that great either way.)

Being limited to 4W EIRP in the 900MHz ISM band probably played more of a role?

Anyway, you might want to find these guys: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7981431

The combination of your product with their technology could be quite interesting.

Also, follow up question: does your protocol attempt to recover signals from below the noise floor?

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#114

Asking to learn. I travel often all over India and most parts of Africa. I have consistently received cell phone signals in 90% of the places. Local sim cards are easily available and the prices are ~20cents per message. In this context, I wonder the need of such a device. In fact having yet another device to charge is a bigger concern. I can see situations where this is helpful, but I think it is in the minority.

I have not been to Africa or India, but considering that it's easy to find areas of North America without cell phone coverage I find it very difficult to believe your assertion about 90% coverage. Even in cities, it seems from the comments here that there is some appeal to communicating "off the grid" as it were.

His assertion is true, i have traveled to 4+ countries in africa, and live in one.

I have yet to be without signal in all my travels. You would need to go really remote to find a place without signal.

Even sparsely populated areas, backwaters are covered. The reason is communication infrastructure was pretty bad here, hence we leap frogged and mobile is primary means of communication.

You also have the other challenge of copper being stolen, hence in some areas the only way for you to get comms (internet/phone) is via mobile.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

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Interesting ... does this do any kind of store and forward or relaying? Say I send a message to a friend who happens to be out of range, but there was another GoTenna user who neither of us know, but who is in range of us both, will it relay the message via this 3rd party (encrypted) or is it purely a direct connection between sender --> receiver?

We want to do that, but FCC regulations don't enable meshing (currently) on the bands we're using (151-154 MHz, aka the MURS band). We considered releasing a 900 MHz device that the FCC allows to mesh but then you only get, if you're lucky, up to 0.5 km range and it has to be line-of-sight. So we went with MURS because you can get greater range and don't have to be line-of-sight; the propagation characteristics are b…

Do you intend to release the specifications for the protocol you are using? For example, would I be able to hook a computer with gnuradio up to a MURS radio and write software that could communicate with a goTenna?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also explicitly forbid store-and-forward operations.

Can anyone provide some insight into why this would be? What's the intention of these restrictions?

Theoretical capacity on the bands maybe?

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

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Looks interesting. What radio service and frequencies does it use?

Ah. We are now at a device that is Bluetooth LE-enabled that works on the 151-154 MHz range from http://www.cnet.com/news/gotenna-creates-cell-network-out-of... So this is essentially a mesh network or at least all independent nodes?

Sounds more like a point to point communication but not a mesh to me.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#119

A consumer-friendly, open version of amateur radio's APRS network would be really cool. This seems like the first step, though I don't know if they intend to open the protocol. Also, 50 mile range sounds great, but that's under "ideal" conditions, which happens roughly never. I'm curious what the range would be in the real world.

> 50 mile range sounds great, but that's under "ideal" conditions, which happens roughly never. I'm curious what the range would be in the real world.

In that graphic, change the elevation to 6ft and you get much more realistic ranges. The default elevation is 500ft (top of a small hill).

I'm a HAM operator, that device's frequency is just a bit above our very popular 2m band. The ranges they indicate at more realistic elevations sound about right for me, for a data connection at 2W.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#120
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Potential cool application of GoTenna: communication with a robot without having to pay for a data plan.

Uh, just use Zigbee or something similar?

Zigbee is very low power and much higher frequency. You have to be within a couple dozen meters.

The goTenna thing is much higher power and lower frequency. It reaches at much greater distance, and can even go a bit around small obstacles (it's 2m band, so don't expect miracles, but still, it's not 100% line of sight).

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