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GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

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Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#81
Can these things share accurate telemetry data so you can add a geospatial data layer? That would be great because if they are communicating anyway getting relative location should be reasonable and make keeping track of folks much easier while not having to rely on LOS.

edit: I see the maps feature but I also see the text of the messages asking where someone is, so that is what spurred the question.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#82

Does anyone have details on the RF layer? What band does it use? What emission type does it use? What bit rate does it send at? What happens when 1000 of these are in the same place at once?

From what I am reading, it runs on Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS). i.e. 151-154 Mhz spectrum. Excerpt From https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-02-139A1.p... Under the revised rules, MURS units are: • Permitted to have detachable antennas; • Permitted to have external antennas up to 6.1 meters (20 feet) above a structure or 18.3 meters (60 feet) above the ground, whichever is higher; • Permitted to have…

They also explicitly forbid store-and-forward operations.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#83
post #71

This can be significantly better than walkie-talkies. In poor reception, sometimes you can't manage to deliver even a simple message coherently (especially since, to be understood by a fellow human, you need reliable communication in real time for the duration of your entire message). But usually, you just want to get a message across. You want something like morse code, not voice. Delivering a short textual message,…

Preach on! :) Yes, we think we're better/more convenient than walkie-talkies for a few reasons. 1) We integrate with the smartphone you already have on you. 2) The asynchronous communication, as you said, allows for less miscommunication. Plus, with delivery confirmation receipts you KNOW it didn't just disappear into the void somewhere, and was actually received by your intended recipient(s). 3) You can direct the message specifically to discrete individuals or groups. You don't need to worry about being on the same channel or hear other people you don't know yakking. 4) You can share your location on detailed offline maps.

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#84
post #3

Interesting ... does this do any kind of store and forward or relaying? Say I send a message to a friend who happens to be out of range, but there was another GoTenna user who neither of us know, but who is in range of us both, will it relay the message via this 3rd party (encrypted) or is it purely a direct connection between sender --> receiver?

We want to do that, but FCC regulations don't enable meshing (currently) on the bands we're using (151-154 MHz, aka the MURS band). We considered releasing a 900 MHz device that the FCC allows to mesh but then you only get, if you're lucky, up to 0.5 km range and it has to be line-of-sight. So we went with MURS because you can get greater range and don't have to be line-of-sight; the propagation characteristics are better down at MURS. Also, when we asked 1000 people (including testers) what they preferred -- a long-range MURS device or a short-range meshing device -- about 8 of 10 picked the former. So that's why the goTenna device you see today is our first release!

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#85
post #66
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll expand internationally later!

To me it seemed like part of your sales pitch was infering that you could use it internationally where you don't have service or don't want to pay the high overages ;)

We're currently shipping to only US & Canada for regulatory reasons ;)

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#86

This is pretty interesting. I work for an NGO and something like this looks really useful for people working in the field to allow some sort of simple communication/location when you don't have service, or it is super expensive.

Hey, we're working with all kinds of disaster relief nonprofits and the like. Would be great to hear from you: partnerup@gotenna.com

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#87
post #31

From the FAQs: "Use our free app to type out a text message or share a location." Ugh, it's a lot less magical than they make it seem in the video.

All it takes is replacing the actual phone dialer app (which AFAIK can only be done in AOSP-based distributions) to make it work transparently. You'd also have to add a phone number broadcasting service to make it work with phone numbers though, but I can see the potential. I'm much more skeptical about range, battery or security concerns.

> You'd also have to add a phone number broadcasting service to make it work with phone numbers though, but I can see the potential. I'm much more skeptical about range, battery or security concerns

Have the app sync to a registry online when connectivity is available, and keep the key-value table locally (phone->deviceID).

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#88
post #75

That seems wonderful, maybe in the future this could have an SDK where developers could use the device for something other than messaging, for example long range car remote! or any type of long range RC.

100%!!! Our dev kits will be available soon: http://bit.ly/1oRwBkI

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#89
post #78

What happens to a message if it's not received? Will it be retransmitted or is it lost? Do I know if my message has been received by my contact (1:1) or anyone (1:all)?

goTenna will retry sending your message a few times, and then if it still doesn't go through, will alert you that it hasn't been delivered. At that point you can try again manually.

There are delivery confirmation receipts for 1:1 messaging but not for groups as that's a networking nightmare (e.g. not even Whatsapp or iMessage does that).

Re: GoTenna – Send and receive messages even when you don’t have service

#90
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I am reading, it runs on Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS). i.e. 151-154 Mhz spectrum. Excerpt From https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-02-139A1.p... Under the revised rules, MURS units are: • Permitted to have detachable antennas; • Permitted to have external antennas up to 6.1 meters (20 feet) above a structure or 18.3 meters (60 feet) above the ground, whichever is higher; • Permitted to have…

They also explicitly forbid store-and-forward operations.

Unless it is very fast store-and-forward?
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