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Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by r00fus »

warfangle wrote: post #41
r00fus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "right-to-forget" have anything to do with the separatist pulling info from (supposedly) his own website? I don't see Google or any other search engine involved in this situation at all. Stop conflating things - that someone can post content and remove it of their own volition while Wayback Machine captures it is not germane to the discussion of whether it's ok to be forgotten. Now if the separatist had iss…

It's not his own website. It's VKontakte, a rather large eastern european social network.

So how did this individual remove the info? Was a right-to-be-forgotten clause get invoked? Or did he just exercise existing privileges to delete his info?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by fleitz »

_delirium wrote: post #20
bane wrote: post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.

I think that's an HN corollary to the 'on a computer' patents.

Just add "on twitter" to any off topic news item and suddenly it's on topic.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by st0p »

As someone who is working for one of the travelling agencies who had people on board (and I'm 99% sure one of my previous employers also had customers on that aircraft), could we please wait with all the speculation? Querying the database to see who might have been on board was no fun. I think that our customer rep's had an even harder time to answer questions. The suffering of relatives and friends must be much worse. I'm pretty sick of all the speculation in Dutch media right now, let's wait for some kind of official investigation and in the mean time light some candles for the deceased.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by warfangle »

r00fus wrote: post #51
warfangle wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not his own website. It's VKontakte, a rather large eastern european social network.

So how did this individual remove the info? Was a right-to-be-forgotten clause get invoked? Or did he just exercise existing privileges to delete his info?

He just deleted the post.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by fleitz »

bane wrote: post #32
_delirium wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.

Yeah, but you've been on here long enough to know that major off-topic news won't get flagged/will be forced up on the front page for a while. HN understands that sometimes our tech news bubble has to be popped with a little dose of the real world every once in a while. This isn't just a plane crash, this was an aircraft that was shot down while on a perfectly normal commercial flight between two major international…

You'd have to be living in a basement not to have heard of a major airliner being shot down.... oh wait...

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by adobriyan »

fleitz wrote: post #47
happyscrappy wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is pretty clear if you listen to nterviews, that the pro-russian rebels are mostly morons. With friends like that who needs enemies.

Yeah, no kidding they should be on America's Dumbest Criminals.

If you'd follow the story from the very beginning, you'd understand why those "we have Buk" posts were made.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by happyscrappy »

badkungfu wrote: post #24
gwern wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. Are war crimes what 'right to be forgotten' is all about?

> Are war crimes what 'right to be forgotten' is all about? Of course not. I think OP is just pointing out that there are pros and cons. OTOH, if I were leading a technologically sophisticated country to war and had the ability, I might look for ways to make my opponent look bad- say, by posting to internet forums using their hacked accounts- and trust that the internet would not forget.

And how exactly would you get the video of the plane being shot down? The stupidity of the rebels is explanation enough.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by icebraining »

bane wrote: post #32
_delirium wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.

Yeah, but you've been on here long enough to know that major off-topic news won't get flagged/will be forced up on the front page for a while. HN understands that sometimes our tech news bubble has to be popped with a little dose of the real world every once in a while. This isn't just a plane crash, this was an aircraft that was shot down while on a perfectly normal commercial flight between two major international…

If someone lives in a hole so deep that they haven't heard about this, I'd say it won't make much of a difference for them. I haven't flagged this, but I think you're overestimating the importance of the presence of this story on HN.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by avz »

bane wrote: post #32
_delirium wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.

Yeah, but you've been on here long enough to know that major off-topic news won't get flagged/will be forced up on the front page for a while. HN understands that sometimes our tech news bubble has to be popped with a little dose of the real world every once in a while. This isn't just a plane crash, this was an aircraft that was shot down while on a perfectly normal commercial flight between two major international…

From HN guidelines:

"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports [...]. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Post by bane »

avz wrote: post #59
bane wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you've been on here long enough to know that major off-topic news won't get flagged/will be forced up on the front page for a while. HN understands that sometimes our tech news bubble has to be popped with a little dose of the real world every once in a while. This isn't just a plane crash, this was an aircraft that was shot down while on a perfectly normal commercial flight between two major international…

From HN guidelines: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports [...]. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8050351
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