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Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

Very easily flagged off the main page. Here's some folks discussing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8048550

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

What does "right-to-forget" have anything to do with the separatist pulling info from (supposedly) his own website?

I don't see Google or any other search engine involved in this situation at all.

Stop conflating things - that someone can post content and remove it of their own volition while Wayback Machine captures it is not germane to the discussion of whether it's ok to be forgotten. Now if the separatist had issued a removal request to WM, that'd be a different story.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

It's on topic with the Wayback Machine involvement.

Yes, and I'm glad that I was allowed to change the title of the article to indicate the reason why this is relevant to HN.

Edit2: and now the title got reverted to the article title, which obscures what's interesting to HN readers. Oh well, inflexible policy in action.

EDIT: Given the poor quality of the discussion, I now regret posting this link. Very little discussion of the Wayback machine and how this is a new and interesting way to collect information, and lots of off-topic stuff on the right to be forgotten or non-wayback-machine-related items about this incident.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

There were probably a half dozen of those today. The first one was here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8048083

Geeze I've been visiting HN all day and didn't see this one. Was it pushed off the main page artificially?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Does VK not block spiders like Facebook does? This makes a compelling case against Facebook's policies. If it had been posted only to a Facebook page, WM couldn't have archived it. Somebody else could have, but chances are they would be less impartial about the material they were scraping.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's on topic with the Wayback Machine involvement.

Yes, and I'm glad that I was allowed to change the title of the article to indicate the reason why this is relevant to HN. Edit2: and now the title got reverted to the article title, which obscures what's interesting to HN readers. Oh well, inflexible policy in action. EDIT: Given the poor quality of the discussion, I now regret posting this link. Very little discussion of the Wayback machine and how this is a new an…

Reminds me of 'add "over the Internet" and patent' tactics.

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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It's interesting how the right to be forgotten seems so desirable, yet when something like this happens it's great that no one can cover up their tracks. Now the pro-Russian separists are trying to delete all sorts of info. We have this tweet about them getting a bunch of anti-aircraft missiles ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FC... ), showing off their new toys ( https://twitter.com/grassw…

Who said there is a right to be forgotten?

Re: Wayback Machine points to pro-Russia rebels in downing of MH17

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post #3

Why was the previous thread about this killed? I know it's off topic for HN, but it is pretty major fucking news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8049325 edit honestly, if you're flagging this story, you may as well turn in your human card edit2 so this has stirred up something since I'm watching my karma flutter up and down like a butterfly's wings.

Most off-topic major news ends up being flagged. There are two main pieces of world news today: 1) Malaysian airlines plane downed in Ukraine; and 2) Israel launches ground invasion of the Gaza strip. I would guess stories about either one are likely to be flagged here.
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