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Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

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> That's plausible, but if I were at Microsoft I'd be sending out my resume right now. No -- most people who work at a big company know _exactly_ whether they're in danger or not. We're speaking about 5% of the original (pre-Nokia acquisition) workforce. You must know whether you're in the bottom 5%, or if your product is in the least critical 5%. Of course there are surprises and some good/productive guys will be la…

> most people who work at a big company know _exactly_ whether they're in danger or not Sometimes. I used to work at RIM (BlackBerry) and they announced huge layoffs for August 2012. I knew at that time that my whole team was gone. The rest of the team just talked about how valuable they were and how no one could do the job we were doing. I think they honestly thought that. A lot of people have a tendency to over-val…

> A lot of people have a tendency to over-value their work and roles.

I think most people are shitty at it on either side. You can be great at your work and role and still get the axe. Management doesn't often take that into consideration.

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

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post #7

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I'm assuming that an announcement like this could effect stock prices. I have no knowledge of stock trading at all, but I would assume they would announce something like this if they expected it to have a positive effect.

Stock is up over 45 now . . . Getting rid of dead wood is a great idea. Tons of middle management there, just sitting for years and causing obstructive damage.

> Tons of middle management there, just sitting for years and causing obstructive damage.

how do you know it's middle management?

> Getting rid of dead wood

That's such a despicable way to talk about human beings,but not surprising here,unfortunatly.

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming that an announcement like this could effect stock prices. I have no knowledge of stock trading at all, but I would assume they would announce something like this if they expected it to have a positive effect.

Stock is up over 45 now . . . Getting rid of dead wood is a great idea. Tons of middle management there, just sitting for years and causing obstructive damage.

A friend of mine who has been CFO of a couple of Fortune 500 companies once told me that layoffs always drive a stock price up, and that it's also one of the single biggest proofs that Wall Street analysts have no idea how to run a real business.

He explained that any company who could shed a massive amount of its workforce within a year, or all at once, is a red flag for massive internal problems. At the time we had this discussion, he was the CFO of a company that had over 30,000 employees globally.

His thinking was that the same principals that small companies use (not hiring too quickly, etc.) should be scaled up regardless of the company size. You either need people or you don't. You don't hire too fast simply because you are experiencing rapid revenue growth, because revenues do not grow unabated. You hire as slowly as you can, so that when recessions hit or market forces change, you don't suddenly have 3 or 4 times the staff you need. His thinking (which I agree with) is that since those people worked extra hard to cover the work when times were booming, you don't turn around and lay them off just because things slow for a couple of years.

Those people worked hard for the company because they are good employees; he saw it as more important to have good employees on hand when things ramped up again rather than just cut them loose and hope he could get more good employees later.

Since that discussion, he's gone on to two more companies, leading one through an IPO as the CEO. All of his companies have operated like gangbusters - he comes in, revenues go through the roof, debt gets paid down and he's NEVER LAID ANYONE OFF. In the meantime, in his work history, he's been through 3 IPOS (two as CFO, one as CEO) and I don't know how much he made personally on each I do know that he cleared $41 million in a single day on one of them.

This is in complete opposition to what I've heard from several other CEOs, who tell me 'labor is your most controllable expense'. Yet, none of their companies (some also on the NYSE or NASDAQ) have performed anywhere near what my friend's has.

I think he's right. Wall Street is full of guys who have no actual experience running a business. They see layoffs as 'cleaning house' and 'cutting expenses' but the reality is that while that can be true, it more often is a harbinger that the company is not well run.

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

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Too many words. He needs to drop the self absorbed thought leader babble and communicate in a straight forward manner.

Indeed. None of the words in his company wide email meant 18000 job cuts to me. Just a neutral line of babble in that email. Terrible leadership to start with

So, how do you tell a workforce of X people that 18000 jobs are going to be cut?

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

#87
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"Following the Nokia acquisition, completed in April, Microsoft had roughly 127,104 employees[...]" I don't have knowledge about managing a company, but is it at all possible to efficiently lead 127000+ employees? Has MSFT become a non-manageable behemoth?

There are lots of companies with more than 127,104 employees that manage just fine. Boing across the street for instance. The reason for the cuts is two fold. First, Microsoft acquired Nokia and they're going to let go of all of most of the non-engineering staff, as well as a lot of the management. Second, Microsoft just restructured itself. It used to run like a conglomerate with VP essentially running their individual business like a fifedom ala the organizational chart comic (http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/or...). Over the last 3 years there's been a series of high profile executives let go with the intent of increasing cooperation between the divisions, then last year the company restructured going from 9(?) divisions down to 4. As a result there's a lot of redundant people and teams. This house cleaning is in part a result of that.

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you care to explain more why you think he can't see clearly? I'm curious about your reasons for the statement. From my limited outside perspective, these layoffs are a good idea since there's bound to be a lot of redundancy and inefficiently in a company of this size

His writing is shit. Compare his writing to anything from Bezos or Cook.

Most likely he did not write that email himself, that's what assistants are there for.

Re: Microsoft Looks to Cut Up to 18,000 Jobs

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Subject: Starting to Evolve Our Organization and Culture Body: Last week in my email to you I synthesized our strategic direction ... Christ.

Instead of writing "Christ", you should consider posting an email as if you were the one newly responsible for a $364B company and a reduction in 18,000 jobs. I'd be curious to see other people's management style from their armchair.

Subject: Important Company-wide Announcement

Dear Employees,

For our business to continue running, we must reduce the number of staff. This is an unfortunate but also inevitable reality.

[insert details of layoff here]

[insert honest platitudes]

Senior management wishes all of you the best of luck, and has every confidence that you will be even more successful at your next job.

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