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Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

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Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#131
post #21

The Pi would be infititely more useful to me if the ethernet interface was attached to a "real" bus and not hung on USB. Here's to hoping that will be the next upgrade!

I agree and it isn't just the RPi that is like this... it's every board based on an ARM SoC that was designed for a mobile device like a smart phone.

Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#132
I went for a BeagleBone Black because I could communicate with the device over the same USB that powered it.

It doesn't look as though they have made the RPI B+ communicate over the power line, are there plans for future versions to do so ?

Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#133
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A platform with less legacy crap than x86 is wonderful for learning about OS development. I don't know how the Pi fares for this, with Broadcom's chip and all, but if I had the free time to hack an OS in my spare time, not dealing with all the thirty year-old cruft nor shedding a gazillion EUR on a PowerPC system would be ideal. Actually I'd say the x86/PC is probably one of the best-documented and most stable plat…

This is something I'm very interested in, and nearly bought a Pi today; I want a board that I can learn ARM assembly and C on to build a toy OS. I built half of a tiny kernel on X86 (woo real-mode!) nearly a decade ago, so I know a tiny bit about it all, but I'd assumed the Pi was a great target: well priced, tonnes of them out there so hopefully well documented, etc. What would you suggest instead? I'm considering j…

Basically what userbinator said.

I had to deal with them before, so if you can, stay away from cheap Chinese boards or hackable routers. When you're just learning, it's not worth it, the dollars you save will be more than made up in working around subtle bugs and trying to figure out what the poorly-worded, incomplete documentation is trying to convey.

I also warmly suggest not to bother with anything that says Atheros or Broadcom on the case. Their documentation is hopelessly tucked away behind a gazillion NDAs you have to sign, and working based on leaked material isn't fun. As for their SDKs, if you could get me started (but you can't because I signed that gazillion bazillion NDAs and I don't wanna go to jail), I could talk for days.

Sadly, I haven't worked with it either, but the Beaglebone Black looks like a good option and there's an actual community around it.

Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#135
Curious they're explicitly naming this the "final evolution".

First up, I'd be surprised if they continued with a "Raspberry Pi 2" soon. The RPi is still very adequate for its original goals in education and will likely remain so; it hasn't ever been quite enough for people wanting a cheap server or media center except for those with very modest needs. Given their announced goals, I doubt that the creators are going to cater to the second group with a hypothetical RPi 2.

One thing that can be improved upon the original Pi is a more open SoC, but currently no SoC vendor will be able to provide a significantly more open one. Even if you pick an open source friendly SoC vendor like TI, there are currently no GPU designers for these SoCs that have open source drivers. It is unlikely improvemants can be made in that area that anytime soon.

The second thing they could improve for their education goals in the inclusion of a dual core SoC to be able to teach about concurrency. That would probably be quite a bit more expensive than the current Pi, for a feature that would not present that much more value for education.

So I'm wondering what they mean with this 'final' comment. Will they simply stay with supporting the current Raspberry Pi models? Or will they start developing a second Raspberry Pi? Or will they develop other computing devices for education?

Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#138
post #93

What's the same: - Same Broadcom BCM2835 Chipset - Same 512MB RAM - Same full size HDMI port - Same 10/100 Ethernet port - Same CSI camera port and DSI display ports - Same micro USB power supply connection What has changed: - Now comes with 4 USB ports so you can now connect more devices than ever to your Raspberry Pi. - There is a 40pin extended GPIO so you can build even bigger and better projects than ever before…

I'm still missing a normal round power plug, as the ramshackly micro USB draws much more power then the allowed 500mA. Also Ethernet is still connected via USB, and horrible slow.

Most mobile devices draw much more power than 500mA over micro USB as well, I was assuming this was in-spec now, it certainly seems to work fine. And many people have spare 1A+ chargers lying around as mobile devices tend to break before their chargers (ramshackly plug notwithstanding). Those chargers are usually really tiny, as well.

So I think micro USB is a fine choice. It also lets you draw from the fairly rich ecosystem of other USB power gadgets such as external batteries. I'd be really annoyed if they switched to a "normal" round plug.

Re: Introducing Raspberry Pi B+

#140
Have they fixed the stability issues when it is under high load with a lot of networking traffic? I have a RaspberryPi B and each time I start a large file transfer the entire board locks up.

Doesn't matter what version OS I am running either!

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