Quick summary : The french government wants to add non compulsory computer science in primary school ( age 6 to 10 ) where the lessons are up to the teacher. For secondary school ( age 11 to 15 ) programming will be added to the schedules, these lectures will probably be made by math and technology teachers. Personal opinion : While this is a nice step forward, I really fear the teachers will lack formation resulting…
In my opinion schools should stick to basic teaching, a high percentage of french teenagers cant even write french at the end of highschool, yet the government want pupils to learn programming ? same old french bullshit. Instead of letting schools adapt their teaching to local conditions and parameters , someone in an office in Paris is deciding for everybody. That's at the heart of France problems. When the french g…
Learning “computer code” will be offered in French primary schools
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#12Quick summary : The french government wants to add non compulsory computer science in primary school ( age 6 to 10 ) where the lessons are up to the teacher. For secondary school ( age 11 to 15 ) programming will be added to the schedules, these lectures will probably be made by math and technology teachers. Personal opinion : While this is a nice step forward, I really fear the teachers will lack formation resulting…
In my opinion schools should stick to basic teaching, a high percentage of french teenagers cant even write french at the end of highschool, yet the government want pupils to learn programming ? same old french bullshit. Instead of letting schools adapt their teaching to local conditions and parameters , someone in an office in Paris is deciding for everybody. That's at the heart of France problems. When the french g…
Define basic teaching.
> a high percentage of french teenagers cant even write french at the end of highschool,
Reference?
Re: Learning “computer code” will be offered in French primary schools
#13The posted article also points out that the classes will be "périscolaire", i.e. outside of regular class hours. This means that the teachers who teach those courses will have to stay late. Only the super-committed teachers will volunteer to do that - and it's not a given that there will be such a teacher in every school. And even when there is, remember that the French school day typically finishes at 4.30p. The teacher will have to attempt teaching a group of exhausted pre-teens who just want to go home.
Additionally, again as mentioned in the article, almost a third of schools (16 000 out of 54 000) in France don't have access to high speed internet - and many, many students from the lower social groups may not have internet/computers at home. The government says that in September, half of these 16k schools will magically get high speed internet access through radio links. If history teaches us anything, those 9k schools certainly won't all get working internet overnight. I wouldn't be surprised if most schools still won't really have a functional internet by September 2015. And internet is not everything either- those schools (mostly rural and/or underfunded districts) are also very likely to have just a few, outdated computers for the whole school, without a budget to address that.
As someone with a graduate degree in computer science, extensive experience teaching CS/programming to kids/teenagers/adults, and an avid follower of work done by Piaget, Papert, Abelson, etc., I'm absolutely all for exposing children to computational ideas early, and using them to support and enhance learning. I've taught many such classes with kids 6-12 myself, and it can be done very successfully- even with kids who are not that interested in the first place.
Unfortunately here, it seems like it's a reactionary measure taken by our government to not be behind similar initiatives in the US and other countries, without much thought given into it. The fact that it is called "apprentissage du code informatique" rather than "apprentissage de la programmation" (or even "apprentissage de l'informatique") is not ideal either; the first thing that I associate it to is "apprentissage du code de la route" (classes that teach the laws behind driving, which you have to take before your driver's license in France), an association that I am sure many non-tech savvy parents or teachers will make in some way. With the taste French government has for putting certifications and "brevets" on everything, this is going to get silly quite fast (I remember the B2i I had to take in middle school, a "certificate" for internet & computers that we obtained after being taught what was essentially an internet explorer class by a shop teacher who was way out of his depth).
Interestingly enough, on the other side of the spectrum, the Ministre de l'Éducation is merging effective, proven 2-year university diplomas that produce high quality computer technicians (who can then easily take on a computer engineering/computer science degree) with tangentially related electronic engineering ones, just to save money: http://linuxfr.org/news/au-secours-du-bts-iris-informatique-....
Things like the latter will definitely hurt France's ability to compete on the international tech scene. On the other hand, I'm not sure teaching HTML after class hours in schools were teachers are already overworked and lacking critical resources will do much.
Re: Learning “computer code” will be offered in French primary schools
#14Quick summary : The french government wants to add non compulsory computer science in primary school ( age 6 to 10 ) where the lessons are up to the teacher. For secondary school ( age 11 to 15 ) programming will be added to the schedules, these lectures will probably be made by math and technology teachers. Personal opinion : While this is a nice step forward, I really fear the teachers will lack formation resulting…
In my opinion schools should stick to basic teaching, a high percentage of french teenagers cant even write french at the end of highschool, yet the government want pupils to learn programming ? same old french bullshit. Instead of letting schools adapt their teaching to local conditions and parameters , someone in an office in Paris is deciding for everybody. That's at the heart of France problems. When the french g…
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#17I got taught BASIC (BBC BASIC) and some ARM assembler [1] in 1992 at school in maths.
[1] ARM assembler because our maths teacher was moonlighting selling RISCOS software and was quite helpful.
Re: Learning “computer code” will be offered in French primary schools
#18According to other sources, it seems like what will be taught is HTML: http://www.bafweb.com/2014/07/13/lapprentissage-du-langage-h... The posted article also points out that the classes will be "périscolaire", i.e. outside of regular class hours. This means that the teachers who teach those courses will have to stay late. Only the super-committed teachers will volunteer to do that - and it's not a given that there w…
It would be a lot more interesting to teach math a bit more, and to extend those math classes with basic algorithmic, using a French algorithmic language.
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#19In Italy I had the first programming introduction at 11, using Commodore 64 and the language used for teaching was Logo. Logo had to be loaded from 5" floppy disks. Commodore 64 were already obsolete by the time, in fact at 12 (the next year), we switched to Windows, and we used something to do hypertexts instead. Needless to say, Logo was much more instructive to whatever bullshit we were using the next year (in fac…
In the end I believe the point of CS lectures at such a young age is not to actually teach people programming but more let them know that this field exist, how it basically works and light the spark for some students. I've seen a lot of people when I was in engineering school going 'Ho my god I wish I had knew about CS before, would have saved me a lot of time' ( And some going the other way ). Having these kind of revelation 10 years before can only be something positive .
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#20As of September, programming is a mandatory part of the curriculum in UK schools.
After a little digging here is an outline of the curriculum.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-curricul...