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The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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The reason pot is still illegal is because public opinion just shifted in favor of legalization last year, and the attitude among likely voters (skew older than the general population), probably is still against. See: http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/04/majority-now-supports... The real reason isn't lobbyists. The real reason is soccer moms and dads and baby boomers, who vote in droves, who are convinced that pot…

I think this is an important point. Though it is worth considering where they get convinced of those things (and the answer to that is still more complex than "follow the money").

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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What a terrible, lying, article. "Prescription opioids ... are the most dangerous drugs abused in America" That's patently untrue. Alcohol is far more harmful, as is smoking. Their opiate death counts probably also include deaths from combinations of drugs. And, the antidote for opiate overdose (Naloxone) is difficult to obtain. The article goes onto say that painkillers are "overprescribed". What does that even mean…

Many Americans do not consider alcohol or tobacco a "drug", while this is patently illogical, this may be more of a poor use of language than an outright fabrication.

As for opioids and their over prescription I ask you to look into the case of Florida and the "Pill Mills". You don't see drug companies lobbing to shut these down, nor do you see them refusing to sell their products to these obviously corrupt organizations.

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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While Marijuana may have uses for medicine. As a recreational drug, I think the in ability to easily check when you consumed it, or to have a high as a result of just burning off fat. (it is fat soluble, and you can end up high even years later if you burn enough calories) Makes it harder to enforce responsible use than say alcohol. I don't think we want pilots, surgeons, or police doing their jobs while high, and si…

Marijuana is the easiest drug to test for. The metabolites (READ: the byproduct of use, not the active chemical that gets you high) can stay in your system for up to 90 days in chronic use cases. While heroin is out in 4. Alcohol is out in 2. So if anything, Marijuana is the easiest drug to enforce.

That said, I don't want to continue feeding the troll, or the chronically misinformed.

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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The reason pot is still illegal is because public opinion just shifted in favor of legalization last year, and the attitude among likely voters (skew older than the general population), probably is still against. See: http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/04/majority-now-supports... The real reason isn't lobbyists. The real reason is soccer moms and dads and baby boomers, who vote in droves, who are convinced that pot…

Voters don't decide anything. They don't vote for laws, they vote for politcians which after being elected have very little incentive to serve the voters and all the incentives in the world to serve the corporations. It's almost unseen for a politician to lose his job, and it's easier and more profitable for him to lie throughout his term than to do good for his voters.

However you wanted it to be otherwise, politics still obeys economic laws, and the incentive for a politician will always be in the wrong place.

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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While Marijuana may have uses for medicine. As a recreational drug, I think the in ability to easily check when you consumed it, or to have a high as a result of just burning off fat. (it is fat soluble, and you can end up high even years later if you burn enough calories) Makes it harder to enforce responsible use than say alcohol. I don't think we want pilots, surgeons, or police doing their jobs while high, and si…

Marijuana is the easiest drug to test for. The metabolites (READ: the byproduct of use, not the active chemical that gets you high) can stay in your system for up to 90 days in chronic use cases. While heroin is out in 4. Alcohol is out in 2. So if anything, Marijuana is the easiest drug to enforce. That said, I don't want to continue feeding the troll, or the chronically misinformed. http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/…

You reiterate the point. It stays in the system longer.

Also, length of time and ease of test is not the same. Breathalyzer's are under $5 to produce and use just breath. No test for THC exists that doesn't require a more substantial "contribution" to the test. (hair, urine, blood)

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post #34
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The reason pot is still illegal is because public opinion just shifted in favor of legalization last year, and the attitude among likely voters (skew older than the general population), probably is still against. See: http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/04/majority-now-supports... The real reason isn't lobbyists. The real reason is soccer moms and dads and baby boomers, who vote in droves, who are convinced that pot…

Voters don't decide anything. They don't vote for laws, they vote for politcians which after being elected have very little incentive to serve the voters and all the incentives in the world to serve the corporations. It's almost unseen for a politician to lose his job, and it's easier and more profitable for him to lie throughout his term than to do good for his voters. However you wanted it to be otherwise, politics…

The marijuana situation is a great example of precisely why that assertion is wrong. Public opinion shifts, and within a couple of years, places all over the country are decriminalizing. You think the corporations have let up in the last couple of years? What's the more rational explanation of the data?

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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What a terrible, lying, article. "Prescription opioids ... are the most dangerous drugs abused in America" That's patently untrue. Alcohol is far more harmful, as is smoking. Their opiate death counts probably also include deaths from combinations of drugs. And, the antidote for opiate overdose (Naloxone) is difficult to obtain. The article goes onto say that painkillers are "overprescribed". What does that even mean…

Many Americans do not consider alcohol or tobacco a "drug", while this is patently illogical, this may be more of a poor use of language than an outright fabrication. As for opioids and their over prescription I ask you to look into the case of Florida and the "Pill Mills". You don't see drug companies lobbing to shut these down, nor do you see them refusing to sell their products to these obviously corrupt organizat…

It's not patently illogical, it's just a matter of where you draw the line. People rarely call sucrose or fructose drugs, yet they're chemical compounds that you put into your body to alter your mood.

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voters don't decide anything. They don't vote for laws, they vote for politcians which after being elected have very little incentive to serve the voters and all the incentives in the world to serve the corporations. It's almost unseen for a politician to lose his job, and it's easier and more profitable for him to lie throughout his term than to do good for his voters. However you wanted it to be otherwise, politics…

The marijuana situation is a great example of precisely why that assertion is wrong. Public opinion shifts, and within a couple of years, places all over the country are decriminalizing. You think the corporations have let up in the last couple of years? What's the more rational explanation of the data?

And how long did it take? And how many staes is it legal in? Surely, at some point politicians have to bend in and go with the voters, but it takes such a long time and so many people suffer in the process, that you start asking yourself, is this democracy thing worth all the people to rot in jail for victimless crimes?

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marijuana is the easiest drug to test for. The metabolites (READ: the byproduct of use, not the active chemical that gets you high) can stay in your system for up to 90 days in chronic use cases. While heroin is out in 4. Alcohol is out in 2. So if anything, Marijuana is the easiest drug to enforce. That said, I don't want to continue feeding the troll, or the chronically misinformed. http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/…

You reiterate the point. It stays in the system longer. Also, length of time and ease of test is not the same. Breathalyzer's are under $5 to produce and use just breath. No test for THC exists that doesn't require a more substantial "contribution" to the test. (hair, urine, blood)

Drug tests look for 11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC, not Tetrahydrocannabinol. The amount in your system days after use is so minimal so that it has no effect. I'd like to see a case study of someone getting measurably impaired days after use.

Re: The Reason Pot Is Still Illegal

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many Americans do not consider alcohol or tobacco a "drug", while this is patently illogical, this may be more of a poor use of language than an outright fabrication. As for opioids and their over prescription I ask you to look into the case of Florida and the "Pill Mills". You don't see drug companies lobbing to shut these down, nor do you see them refusing to sell their products to these obviously corrupt organizat…

It's not patently illogical, it's just a matter of where you draw the line. People rarely call sucrose or fructose drugs, yet they're chemical compounds that you put into your body to alter your mood.

Not many people take sucrose to get impaired, the intent of an alcohol drinker (despite the protestations that they "like the taste", "are a wine connoisseur" or "drink socially") is to get drunk.

Tobacco users are simply addicted, and use the drug to return to a state of normality.

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