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Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by jdpage »

AlyssaRowan wrote: post #10

Just so you know, they're pulling the same kind of shit over here in the UK: "emergency powers" being pushed through with barely a debate by an unelected PM, his lapdog deputy in the Lib Dems, and a weak opposition, with tripartisan support thanks to the party whips. No one even really knows or understands what they're agreeing to, the "temporary" shouldn't fool anyone as it can be extended (and it would be an 'emerg…

I know this is Serious Business, but all I can think is -- have these people not SEEN Star Wars?

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by opendais »

jdpage wrote: post #31
AlyssaRowan wrote: post #10

Just so you know, they're pulling the same kind of shit over here in the UK: "emergency powers" being pushed through with barely a debate by an unelected PM, his lapdog deputy in the Lib Dems, and a weak opposition, with tripartisan support thanks to the party whips. No one even really knows or understands what they're agreeing to, the "temporary" shouldn't fool anyone as it can be extended (and it would be an 'emerg…

I know this is Serious Business, but all I can think is -- have these people not SEEN Star Wars?

I think they are aware of the issues and just don't care. Like most things, 90% of people aren't going to be obviously impacted.

It will only be the people they want to give the shaft too. To make matters worse, the majority of those people will actually deserve it which will give them the cover they need. :/

I think comparing David Cameron to the Emperor is a bit of a stretch. ;)

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by maxerickson »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #29
lostcolony wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, except the alternative is worse. The intent of lobbying is to inform elected officials about issues that they do not necessarily know anything about. The bribery aspect really has more to do with campaign contributions than lobbying, though lobbying can indirectly use those contributions, as well as a lot of societal norms to get its own way (you spend a lot of time discussing issues with someone, even when…

While we're at it why don't we fix campaigning too? Limit how much politicians can get from corporations. What are we the Mafia?

The road to robust democracy is not paved with rules.

People need to pay more attention to what the government is doing, pretty much all the time, and at every level of government. It would also be nice if people were a little more willing to consider that permission from 51% is still some pretty shitty permission.

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by Ygg2 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #25
tool wrote: post #2

"Places online where you can expect privacy: Facebook" I'd rather be spied upon by NSA any day over Facebook. Atleast then I know how my information is being used. But oh right, NSA doesn't have a website where you can show off your socio economic status.

Facebook's never imprisoned or tortured anyone that I'm aware of. Maybe that'll be in a future rollout.

Yup, just enabled those that do. Good for them. Keeping their hands clean.

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by cowbell »

higherpurpose wrote: post #6
Andrenid wrote: post #4

This is the problem. It's less effort for them to keep bringing it back under different names/guises, than it is for the general public to continue fighting it, continue raising enough attention against it, etc. People are lazy. You can rile them up to get critical mass for an action every now and then, but you can't sustain it forever.

This wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is for both the population who has to stay extremely vigilant (more than they want to) just so they don't pass something quickly and in secret/when no one pays attention (like at holidays), and also the Supreme Court wouldn't be barraged with bad laws from Congress (and these laws don't even reach them for decades sometimes), if US was using a Constitutional Court. I think h…

Don't you think that would end up like the patent office? Rubber stamps for everyone...

I think a far more effective solution would be to require all laws be version controlled on a publicly available site. Something like github for Congress. No more need to reference Act 737 Paragraph 3 section 2 part H. It's just a diff at that point. It would make it very clear who is proposing changes to what. Combine passage with a code review process so that everyone can see who voted for/against/abstain and why for everything, ever.

The NSA can view the totality of everything we do. Why are we still unable to view the totality of what Congress is up to? 300,000,000 Americans private lives are under total surveillance, while we can't even monitor the supposedly public activity of a measly 600 people.

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by snarfy »

cheepin wrote: post #36
snarfy wrote: post #33

Hey California, why is Feinstein still in office? SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, CISPA v2, now CISA.

because voting her out would likely require voting in a republican, which doesn't seem overly likely against an incumbent.

This makes sense, depressing, apathy-inducing sense.

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by taway98765 »

Sharlin wrote: post #14
__P wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could an alternative DNS system fix this? Tor for DNS that both masked the lookup and the resulting IP would stop any type of filtering/blocking/take down etc? Coupled with https, to stop packet inspection?

Social and political problems are rarely fixed with engineering solutions.

2014, maybe its about time. You just have to define your problem set correctly, and work with reality rather than an idealised version of it(goes especially for historical precedences). we are lazy, selfish - egocentric, opportunistic animals .. with some natural variations into - what could be considered extremes (altruism / full blown "sociapathism" as an example). Designing public institutions means designing systems those institutions will run on - means getting rid of the non-existent ideals we like to assign to our selves as a species and start working with the sorry-state reality of homo-sapiens-sapiens - hence, engineering challenge ( like designing machinery for a self-managed pig-farm - and yes I chose pigs as an example on purpose )

Re: CISPA is back with a new name

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Post by taway98765 »

cowbell wrote: post #37
higherpurpose wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is for both the population who has to stay extremely vigilant (more than they want to) just so they don't pass something quickly and in secret/when no one pays attention (like at holidays), and also the Supreme Court wouldn't be barraged with bad laws from Congress (and these laws don't even reach them for decades sometimes), if US was using a Constitutional Court. I think h…

Don't you think that would end up like the patent office? Rubber stamps for everyone... I think a far more effective solution would be to require all laws be version controlled on a publicly available site. Something like github for Congress. No more need to reference Act 737 Paragraph 3 section 2 part H. It's just a diff at that point. It would make it very clear who is proposing changes to what. Combine passage wit…

I fully agree with your way of thinking; this is exactly the approach to these matters I expected to find here on HN.
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