So am I alone thinking that this is insane?
Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
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Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#22The high school graduation rate in the US's big cities floats around 50-60%. The way I see it about half the kids growing up don't become white collar over-educated cubicle jockeys. I imagine these two groups strongly overlap. You can get a trade job with a endless arrests or even a conviction.
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#23Nearly half of black males and almost 40 percent of white males in the U.S. are arrested by age 23, which can hurt their ability to find work, go to school and participate fully in their communities. An arrest by itself, without an accompanying conviction, cannot be used to deny employment. 1. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/arrest_conviction.cfm#I
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Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#24If you are just arrested in the UK, without any charge or caution, you become ineligible for the Visa Waiver program for entry into the United States.
Interesting statistic, therefore, from this side of the pond, having strong links family, business and social in the US.
It has often been a double standard in many fields. The trademark laws are highly favorable to US companies versus Madrid Treaty Protocol countries, because the US did not ratify all that treaty. The UK does similar with EU/EC things, also. The trademark side is interesting, as the first enforcement of a trademark registered in a Treaty state against a US infringer, was Society des Baines de Mer, who own the Monte Carlo Casino, against various internet gambling sites, and I thought that may have had more allowance due to shifting policy about online gaming, than treaty affordances.
My general view, totally non specific to any country, is there needs to be a rebalancing of laws between genuine scrutiny and thoughtfulness of oversight, versus draconian penalties.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ya, stuff like that is why we need a right to be forgotten in the US. People tend to see an arrest and leap to conclusions. I say this as a person who has never been arrested. :/
The 'right to be forgotten' is impossible to enforce. We just need to be more forgiving.
It is possible to get local papers kicked out of Google search results for things like arrests that did not lead to a conviction [which honestly is a 90% solution]. 90% solutions are good enough.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 'right to be forgotten' is impossible to enforce. We just need to be more forgiving.
The right to be forgotten lies in a gray zone. Who is going to be the judge of what needs to be forgotten and what can stay public ?
Anything that might make someone unemployable that didn't result in a conviction or other defeat in court.
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#27I find this frankly implausible. What percentage of people you know have been arrested? I'm guessing very small (even assuming that many hide it and so you're knowledge is substantially skewed). So maybe that's because of your high/squeaky-clean socio-economic class? No: imagine yourself in any class you care to. Unless that class is much, much larger than your "real" class, then it would have to have an astronomical…
I agree. I come from a nice area, but I know maybe 10 people out of 2000 who have ever been arrested. And it was just underage drinking for them. Perhaps I live in a bubble, but this is suspiciously high
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#28I find this frankly implausible. What percentage of people you know have been arrested? I'm guessing very small (even assuming that many hide it and so you're knowledge is substantially skewed). So maybe that's because of your high/squeaky-clean socio-economic class? No: imagine yourself in any class you care to. Unless that class is much, much larger than your "real" class, then it would have to have an astronomical…
I agree. I come from a nice area, but I know maybe 10 people out of 2000 who have ever been arrested. And it was just underage drinking for them. Perhaps I live in a bubble, but this is suspiciously high
While it is suspiciously high to me too, I am also skeptical that you know 2000 people well enough to know if they have ever been arrested
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#29The abstract is at http://cad.sagepub.com/content/60/3/471.abstract (there's a paid link for the full study to the right.)
I'd like to see error bars, or at least a clear indication of the assumptions that went into the model.
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#30I find this frankly implausible. What percentage of people you know have been arrested? I'm guessing very small (even assuming that many hide it and so you're knowledge is substantially skewed). So maybe that's because of your high/squeaky-clean socio-economic class? No: imagine yourself in any class you care to. Unless that class is much, much larger than your "real" class, then it would have to have an astronomical…
I have a lot of friends that have been arrested. So for me this number is very believable. It's actually not a very hard thing to get arrested. I had friend go to jail for not neutering his cat.
That being said.. It's always nice to see the data.