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nonsense. there is no monopoly in capitalism. /sarcasm
If there was Capitalism you'd actually be able to compete.
It's always kind of strange to me that Verizon only wants to provide settlement-free peering "where the relative traffic flows between an IP network provider and us remain roughly equal". If you were to take that at face value, it means that Verizon would happy to provide free peering if only Netflix modified its client so it uploaded a number of random bytes equal to the size of the stream it was downloading. But th…
It's a holdover from the old days, when one side of a peering agreement very logically didn't want to carry all the packets of another provider while the other provider doesn't do much to help you in return.
This is not the case with ISPs - you get billed for everything. In the old phone world where this started, it'd be like you having to pay to receive calls as well as making them.
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I had this same experience with Comcast. See also Level 3's blog post calling Verizon and other ISPs out on this BS: http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...
Yep this is exactly the fast lane that we don't want. The lane is not any faster, just less traffic, says Verizon--really, that seems like a fast lane to me.
From the article: "Netflix sends out an unprecedented amount of traffic." YES! Yes they do! But Netflix doesn't send that traffic for fun and giggles, just to swamp your network and clog up the port. They do it because YOUR CUSTOMERS HAVE ASKED THEM TO and you, Verizon, you duplicitous shitbag, have SOLD THAT CAPABILITY to your customers. They have LITERALLY PAID you to successfully receive up to 75Mbps worth of traf…
Maybe we're getting to the point where Internet connections are more like public roads. Maybe no private entity should control these roads. Maybe it's time for a sweeping change.
Verizon is blaming Netflix for sending "an unprecedented amount of traffic" and "not taking steps to ensure that there is adequate capacity for their traffic to enter" Verizon's network. The thing is, Netflix is NOT pushing any of that traffic to Verizon. It is Verizon's customers who are pulling that traffic from NetFlix -- and they are paying Verizon to deliver it !!! More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…
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I had this same experience with Comcast. See also Level 3's blog post calling Verizon and other ISPs out on this BS: http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...
Yep this is exactly the fast lane that we don't want. The lane is not any faster, just less traffic, says Verizon--really, that seems like a fast lane to me.
Verizon is blaming Netflix for sending "an unprecedented amount of traffic" and "not taking steps to ensure that there is adequate capacity for their traffic to enter" Verizon's network. The thing is, Netflix is NOT pushing any of that traffic to Verizon. It is Verizon's customers who are pulling that traffic from NetFlix -- and they are paying Verizon to deliver it !!! More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…
They're just doing so in response to requests coming out of Verizon networks.
Still though, Verizon customers are running Netflix apps, which are making the requests, so it's not like customers are doing the requesting "in the raw", or as "informed" consumers. They're just clicking "play" on Netflix video devices.
Also, Verizon customers aren't paying Verizon to deliver content, they're paying Verizon to try to deliver content. This goes all the way back to the "unlimited" deception ISPs pull on consumers, and Verizon is double-guilty of this deception, as they're a cell phone carrier as well.
Edit: I really hate to be that guy (and I know I'm breaking rules by saying this), but have we really devolved to the point where we downvote everything that isn't 100% in agreement with the hive mind? I thought HN was better than this. I'm just getting so sick of being downvoted because I'm offering a different angle - I've been polite, deferent, and explanatory, and my words get sent straight into the "grey" anyway. You're given downvote privileges because it's been determined that you're capable of thought, please don't disprove that.
From the article: "Netflix sends out an unprecedented amount of traffic." YES! Yes they do! But Netflix doesn't send that traffic for fun and giggles, just to swamp your network and clog up the port. They do it because YOUR CUSTOMERS HAVE ASKED THEM TO and you, Verizon, you duplicitous shitbag, have SOLD THAT CAPABILITY to your customers. They have LITERALLY PAID you to successfully receive up to 75Mbps worth of traf…
Maybe we're getting to the point where Internet connections are more like public roads. Maybe no private entity should control these roads. Maybe it's time for a sweeping change.
Imagine UPS as Netflix and a turnpike operator as Verizon.
The idea being that, no matter what they do, the cost of it will just be passed along to the consumer. So their solution is to charge Netflix for the upgrades. That way, when Netflix passes those costs on to the consumers, only the ones who actually have Netflix will be paying for the upgrades, as opposed to all Verizon customers.
It makes sense, once you assume Verizon/ISPs and Netflix will just raise their rates to pay off these upgrades/charges.
But again, you have to take the assumption that, regardless, the costs will be passed onto the consumers, for granted. If you think the ISPs will try and eat the costs, then this argument doesn't fly. But they're saying they won't, so... they probably won't.
I'm not trying to pass moral judgement on this (I gave up trying to convince you guys back when every comment I wrote about this was downvoted to hell and back), just saying what the argument the ISPs are giving actually is. It's just not as "left field" as you might think.
Verizon is blaming Netflix for sending "an unprecedented amount of traffic" and "not taking steps to ensure that there is adequate capacity for their traffic to enter" Verizon's network. The thing is, Netflix is NOT pushing any of that traffic to Verizon. It is Verizon's customers who are pulling that traffic from NetFlix -- and they are paying Verizon to deliver it !!! More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…
Not to be devils advocate, but if I have 75mbps pipe at home and some internet server is on 1mbps, I'll still be buffering because of the server connection not mine. Right?