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Re: A typical day on the ward

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Golly. I thought this was going to be about a hospital ward in sub-saharan Africa, some abandoned corner of Asia, or even a VA hospital here in the US. I'm glad people care, but for me, these are first world problems compared to drug shortages, inadequate facilities for water and sanitation, missing diagnostics, payroll shortfalls, and so many things. Sadly, though, these are not problems that programmers can do much…

I empathize with your compassion but I've downvoted you because the existence of worse problems shouldn't preclude all other discussion.

Re: A typical day on the ward

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I would love to have a list of tasks for each of my patients on my phone. This would make being an intern far easier. In fact, I'm currently validating and building a solution for this exact problem, which I will talk about below, but first it's important to understand what an intern (at least here in Australia) does during the actual ward round where most of their tasks for the rest of the day are created. An averag…

As a techie with a medical doctorate, I've considered these sorts of things too.

The basic problem is that if you want to have records in the computer someone has to input them in a more or less structured manner. This is the issue that is usually left out of EMR discussions. Electronic health records are a trade-off. Everyone realizes there are benefits, but if you ignore the costs when making important decisions, it usually turns out badly.

Because of this, usually what happens is that skilled medical professionals end up saddled with a second data-entry job.

OCR and voice recognition (which you didn't mention, but I think is also a good fit) are both useful tools. However, if you really think about it, the minimum viable product in this space is actually a medical transcriptionist service. Let doctors (and nurses) use the easiest, fastest system they can for recording data (ie paper, or voice), let the DBA's store everything in a massive database for efficient retrieval and make money by providing an efficient reliable method for converting between the two.

Re: A typical day on the ward

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I would love to have a list of tasks for each of my patients on my phone. This would make being an intern far easier. In fact, I'm currently validating and building a solution for this exact problem, which I will talk about below, but first it's important to understand what an intern (at least here in Australia) does during the actual ward round where most of their tasks for the rest of the day are created. An averag…

i am strongly against qr codes. printed text can be read by both computers and humans. qr codes can only be read by computers, adding an uneeded translation step for the humans.

Re: A typical day on the ward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a medical technician in a neuro department, I had to take an illegible referral to the neurologist who wrote it (luckily he was in-house). Even he couldn't read his own handwriting: "But I know the patient, and he needs...".

Why is this tolerated? It seems like such an absurdly basic problem to fix. Years and hundreds of thousands of dollars of advanced medical training is distilled into a note/prescription that looks like a fucking five year old wrote it. It's pathetic. A personal anecdote: I went to a doctor recently. He opened my notes, squinted at them, and then asked me what medications he had prescribed me. That was my last visit t…

It's actually an extremely difficult problem to fix. Anything new that restricts doctors in any way, shape, or form has to come from up high, and it also has to be across the board. Few hospitals have the luxury to turn away doctors, and few areas have enough doctors doing general practice. Make a new regulation, and some doctors will sigh and do it - but other doctors will move on... unless there's nowhere to move to that doesn't also have the new requirement.

Re: A typical day on the ward

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  Oh my god, we still have to write things down on paper?!
Yeah, and so what? Writing things down on paper is a damn tough pnemonic system to defeat.

The problem arises when others have to discern an individual's short hand notes.

So, an array of shitty post-notes is weak and lacks integrity, but similarly, so do disparate plain text files, haphazardly saved in an array of folders with haphazard file names. And yes, you could theoretically grep such a data store for meaningful details, but then again: Have you ever actually tried to parse someone else's randomly sorted plain text notes? It's a brain nullifying experience sifting through someone else's disorganized stream of consciousness.

This is a garbage-in-garbage-out scenario, and coping with a tide of inadvertently injured humanity does not lend itself to well-formed XML and proper SQL grammar. People don't plan on coughing up a lung, or getting shot, or run over. No one plans on syphlis dimentia.

You can bulldoze a landfill of printed circuit boards onto this problem, and still come back and say "boo-hoo, healthcare broken."

It's a hard problem, and there's always going to be a 50% share of elbow grease to pony up on the buy-in. Hospitals are hotels where people disintegrate in the most controlled manner possible.

Feel free to try and automate garbage collection in this environment. You'll assuredly end up with more bloated heap space than a Windows virtual machine running a JVM that emulates a .NET runtime environment.

Re: A typical day on the ward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this tolerated? It seems like such an absurdly basic problem to fix. Years and hundreds of thousands of dollars of advanced medical training is distilled into a note/prescription that looks like a fucking five year old wrote it. It's pathetic. A personal anecdote: I went to a doctor recently. He opened my notes, squinted at them, and then asked me what medications he had prescribed me. That was my last visit t…

It's actually an extremely difficult problem to fix. Anything new that restricts doctors in any way, shape, or form has to come from up high, and it also has to be across the board. Few hospitals have the luxury to turn away doctors, and few areas have enough doctors doing general practice. Make a new regulation, and some doctors will sigh and do it - but other doctors will move on... unless there's nowhere to move t…

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