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A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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As I read these techniques for fighting addiction - "solving emotional and behavioral problems, rather than having abusers forever swear off the substance", "hourlong meetings once a week at which they discuss their goals for moderate drinking, as well as tips, challenges and progress on avoiding triggers" and "motivational interviewing, a goal-oriented form of counseling" I thought it bizarre that they are considere…

They're not necessarily new, but addiction (even for alcohol or gambling) is closely tied to drug use and thus it's sub-optimally political. That's a shame because research is difficult and also ignored if politicians find it doesn't suit their view. Substitution therapy (eg, methadone instead of heroin) has strong supporters and detractors and it's hard to get good quality research to see whether substitution is bet…

> it's hard to get good quality research to see whether substitution is better than abstinence.

How about maintenance? There's ample evidence from the UK, Switzerland, and elsewhere showing that diacetylmorphine maintenance (treating heroin addiction with heroin) is incredibly effective[0][1].

The effectiveness of treating existing users is the primary concern, but a nice bonus is that it also seems to have served as a deterrent for new heroin users due to its social image as a medical problem, rather than a criminalized behavior[2].

(Remember that, when administered in a controlled setting and in predetermined quantities (and purity), heroin use carries few of the dangers commonly associated with its use on the street, and is fairly similar to the related drugs that you already receive in the hospital[3])

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_maintenance

[1] http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0810635

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_maintenance#cite_note-9

[3] Such as morphine (the similarity of the names "morphine" and "diacetylmorphine" is not a coincidence!)

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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I wonder how much a nutritionally empty, low fat diet is setting kids up for the anxiety and depression that seems to drive so much alcohol and drug abuse. At a time when major structural changes and growth are happening in the brain, changes and growth that require a lot of fatty acids for creating nerve and other brain cells, kids are getting Fruit Loops and skim milk as their nutrition source.

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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I wonder how much a nutritionally empty, low fat diet is setting kids up for the anxiety and depression that seems to drive so much alcohol and drug abuse. At a time when major structural changes and growth are happening in the brain, changes and growth that require a lot of fatty acids for creating nerve and other brain cells, kids are getting Fruit Loops and skim milk as their nutrition source.

Fruit Loops sound like they wouldn't be too bad. Instead, the Kellogg's product is called Froot Loops.

It's a bit fitting: a bastardization of the spelling which underscores the bastardization of nutrition going on with the product.

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (I don't know why you're being downvoted.) I didn't downvote but I have a knee-jerk reaction to want to downvote people using anecdotal evidence to support medical treatments.

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You're using your anecdotal experience to say that an entire profession of people who undergo many years of training don't understand the scope of the issue but that you do. That's why I downvoted you.

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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The galling thing about AA/NA in the US is that judges often mandate attendance as condition for release of a DUI. The problem being, this violates the defendants 1st amendedment rights by the state forcing a religion on him.

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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The author misses the point of who AA is intended for. Not every person who goes through a period of overindulgent drinking is an alcoholic. Many college students in the US drink like alcoholics and, like the article says, 75% of binge drinkers cut way back when they get more responsibility. AA, in my opinion, is meant for those other 25%. AA is for the people who have a serious job, a family, or other responsibility…

> Eight trials involving 3417 people were included. AA may help patients to accept treatment and keep patients in treatment more than alternative treatments, though the evidence for this is from one small study that combined AA with other interventions and should not be regarded as conclusive. Other studies reported similar retention rates regardless of treatment group. Three studies compared AA combined with other interventions against other treatments and found few differences in the amount of drinks and percentage of drinking days. Severity of addiction and drinking consequence did not seem to be differentially influenced by TSF [Twelve Step Facilitation] versus comparison treatment interventions, and no conclusive differences in treatment drop out rates were reported. Included studies did not allow a conclusive assessment of the effect of TSF in promoting complete abstinence.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD005032...

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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post #25

The galling thing about AA/NA in the US is that judges often mandate attendance as condition for release of a DUI. The problem being, this violates the defendants 1st amendedment rights by the state forcing a religion on him.

Forgive me, I'm not sure which right you're referring to.

The text of the first amendment of the United States of America reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

AA (in my understanding) doesn't force any religion. The 12 steps (link http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/smf-121_en.pdf) talk about "a power greater than ourselves". There's no reason that couldn't be the judge assigning the sentence, in this case.

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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The language of AA and other programs like them have failure as a built-in premise of attendance. Just by insisting on abstinence assumes that failure is the only possible outcome of non-abstinence, however moderated or controlled that non-abstinence is.

First and foremost obviously one has to clear themselves of physical addiction, which in most cases should be done with professional medical guidance. Afterwards comes the psychological compulsion to use. For me the best thing was to think rationally about the decision to use, and whether it was going to give me the benefit I sought. In most cases, having a drink doesn't help with the situations in which I wanted it, except for very short-term (hour or two); clearly not a long term solution to problems like anxiety, social awkwardness, depression. I think rational positive thinking like this can be made habitual with practice. Having group support from something like A.A can be beneficial in the early days of this process.

The issue with abstinence based programs is that they don't treat the underlying cause of the problem. Their focus is purely on a singular behavior which the problem led to. People in them are terrified of a single drink because it represents failure, but they don't identify what that single drink really means to them psychologically and how to address that problem in a rational way.

I know people who have benefited from AA, but their attitudes generally seem to be "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater." They take out the positives and ignore the negatives.

There are alternatives to A.A. however, for example SMART: http://www.smartrecovery.org/

Re: A Different Path to Fighting Addiction

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post #25

The galling thing about AA/NA in the US is that judges often mandate attendance as condition for release of a DUI. The problem being, this violates the defendants 1st amendedment rights by the state forcing a religion on him.

Note that this as a condition of release (which goes beyond just DUI) has over the last decade been explicitly struck down as unconstitutional where the person subject to the order has a religious objection to the program by at least the 2nd, 7th, and 9th Circuits -- and upheld, AFAIK, by no federal appellate court.

So, while it has been a common practice, the tide is turning fairly rapidly against it in the legal system.

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