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Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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I'm an idiot, but I'm willing to believe there are still people out there who love what they do, and would stand by it, even if Corporation X comes knocking on the door with a pot of gold. I'd rather cheer for them and be disappointed, than dismiss them in advance and live my life perceiving the world through a cynical lens. Huh. I didn't know I can write so dramatically. You catch my drift, though.

Well, I think everyone kind of breaks down with their "morals" or idealistic visions when presented with the word "billion". E.g. see Occulus Rift founder Palmer Lucey's posts on Reddit from years ago claiming he will never sell the company under any condition. But a quick offer with a billion was made and just like that Oculus was Facebook's.

You know what's cooler than a billion dollars?

Tens of millions and being in charge of a company that improves lives for millions of people around the world in a way you'd love to keep heading up.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Sure, I'll run though these. You can also ping me at mg@inboxapp.com. 1. We just started with Gmail and Yahoo, and are working to support all IMAP servers. The sync engine currently depends on the CONDSTORE extension for performance, and not all servers have that extension enabled. What server are you running yourself? Dovecot? Cyrus? I'm sure we can get it working quickly-- we just didn't want to push support for se…

Would it be possible to write something like an SMTP server that feeds directly into Inbox, no Dovecot/Cyrus/IMAP/POP3 required?

It might be simpler to just use a regular SMTP server and procmail or equivalent to deliver to Inbox, with fallback to local mailbox on failure to deliver, which Inbox could then sync. No need to reinvent the wheel here.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Yes, for caching+performance reasons.

Do you encrypt anything in that case? Or do things in such a way that no rogue employee of Inbox would be able to read someone's email? I work with email currently, and one of the core mantras we have is that nobody should be able to read the email of someone who uses our service. It's such a personal thing with so much private information, that even the possibility of someone being able to do that (especially when t…

> I work with email currently, and one of the core mantras we have is that nobody should be able to read the email of someone who uses our service.

Sounds wonderful. Where do you work?

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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“Inbox is an email company. Google is an advertising company. This product is our focus, and will not be ‘discontinued’ unexpectedly.” Burn! Very amusing. But for all we know they will be acqui-hired, maybe even by Google, and then shifted to a different project.

They should add to their site that they will not, in any circumstance, ever sell out to anyone. Ever.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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> Doesn't sound like a good idea? Then shut up. Please don't be aggressive like this on Hacker News. It violates the guidelines and degrades the discourse. That sentence has no information in it—it's just rude—so the comment would be better without it.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The sentence only has no information in it I'd you choose to blindly look at the words in a vacuum. But if you think about what he said, what he meant, the tone has a ton of information, the most obvious is a drop frustration of the empty promises and frequent shut downs that is all too common in recent startups. I think the comment created worthwhile conversation. And I'm not sure it w…

> I think the comment created worthwhile conversation.

I see two conversations here. One is about users feeling betrayed by acquisitions and whether that could be mitigated contractually. That conversation didn't require abusiveness to be created. The other conversation is about who is being a fuckwad, and hardly counts as "worthwhile". Unfortunately, it is what such rudeness leads to, and it only gets worse.

Keep in mind that we're not talking about rudeness in general. We're talking about its effect on the already precarious balance of a particular optionally-anonymous internet forum. The argument here isn't ethical so much as empirical.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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post #231

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Well, I think everyone kind of breaks down with their "morals" or idealistic visions when presented with the word "billion". E.g. see Occulus Rift founder Palmer Lucey's posts on Reddit from years ago claiming he will never sell the company under any condition. But a quick offer with a billion was made and just like that Oculus was Facebook's.

You know what's cooler than a billion dollars? Tens of millions and being in charge of a company that improves lives for millions of people around the world in a way you'd love to keep heading up.

Yeah, but who needs to be cool when you have a billion dollars?

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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“Inbox is an email company. Google is an advertising company. This product is our focus, and will not be ‘discontinued’ unexpectedly.” Burn! Very amusing. But for all we know they will be acqui-hired, maybe even by Google, and then shifted to a different project.

They should add to their site that they will not, in any circumstance, ever sell out to anyone. Ever.

You mean like Oculus ?

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Indeed, the probability of this being discontinued, if it follows normal trends, is dramatically higher than pretty much any Google product, and worse the notion that the "product is their focus" is specious: getting investment cash or a buyout is their focus, as it is with virtually all startups. Moralizing or taking shots at competitors is a dangerous tactic when you live in a glass house.

I'm an idiot, but I'm willing to believe there are still people out there who love what they do, and would stand by it, even if Corporation X comes knocking on the door with a pot of gold. I'd rather cheer for them and be disappointed, than dismiss them in advance and live my life perceiving the world through a cynical lens. Huh. I didn't know I can write so dramatically. You catch my drift, though.

I would be inclined to share this naive outlook. But it's email.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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In that case, you should probably make a big fancy statement to that effect. It would be popular, people are very concerned about the issue of services being acquired and binned these days, it's such an obvious pattern. If you are not legally/politically able to make such a statement, then these casual assurances are worthless, and ultimately misleading.

Your two paragraphs are logically irreconcilable. Obviously, they cannot legally or politically make a statement like "we will never get acquired." You tell them not to make that statement if they can't. But then you also tell them they should make the statement? People need to chill. This looks like an awesome product and platform, and it doesn't seem like it will require any data lock in (you can always move your e…

>Your two paragraphs are logically irreconcilable.

That's the point.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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FWIW, inboxapp is self-hosted and under AGPL, so it's forkable.

AGPL with Contributor License Agreement, just to be crystal clear.

In fairness they're a new company and probably only have a basic view on how they're going to make money. They just licensed their core code under 'free software' so it makes sense for them to have a CLA. It will give them some flexibility as they figure out their commercial path - though I can't actually find the CLA on their site.

Anyway, in comparison good luck finding a 'free software' license for the Gmail API, or a CLA - and that's from a company that's benefited from Open Source more than any other.

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