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MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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It's on GitHub, you can self-host it if you wanted to. It's not a service yet .

Because self-hosting a mail service is totally something my mom can do... (As the sibling comment notes, I'm talking from the perspective of the end user, not that of a technologist. We need to remember who we're ultimately building these things for...)

You consider both third party hosting and self hosting to unacceptable?

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Your claim that your product will not be discontinued is worthless. If you're so sure of that, put your money where your mouth is, and offer an SLA with a contractual minimum duration you promise to keep the service up, and significant monetary penalties if you fail to meet it. Doesn't sound like a good idea? Then shut up.

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He obviously doesn't think it's normal. He thinks they are making abnormal claims ("we will remain available") and therefore should be prepared to make guarantees beyond normal in order for anyone to take them seriously. Sounds reasonable to me, if you think it is unreasonable, can you explain why?

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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“Inbox is an email company. Google is an advertising company. This product is our focus, and will not be ‘discontinued’ unexpectedly.” Burn! Very amusing. But for all we know they will be acqui-hired, maybe even by Google, and then shifted to a different project.

This got people talking. It's a smart angle to get noticed and to get press. The goal is not to beat Google, it's to not run out of money and die as a company. To that end, taking a swing at Google is a smart move.

They would have gotten exactly the same press (TechCrunch) minus that commentary. But with that commentary they instantly cloud their announcement with two immediate thoughts-

-abandonment. You know, I wasn't thinking of it, but now it's top of my mind.

-delusion. If a funded company talks about the misled motivations of others, I instantly question their self-honesty or delusion. I mean throughout this thread we see claims of not being bought out, etc. You don't take VC money if those things aren't always on the table and top of mind. The selling out already happened.

I don't think it was good at all. Instead of talking about the product or its place, people are talking about that commentary, and not in a complimentary way.

As an aside, "Inbox App" brings you to http://inboxapp.co/. There's also http://inbox.com (which is a decided two generations ago site), and then http://inboxapp.com.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Indeed, the probability of this being discontinued, if it follows normal trends, is dramatically higher than pretty much any Google product, and worse the notion that the "product is their focus" is specious: getting investment cash or a buyout is their focus, as it is with virtually all startups. Moralizing or taking shots at competitors is a dangerous tactic when you live in a glass house.

FWIW, inboxapp is self-hosted and under AGPL, so it's forkable.

AGPL with Contributor License Agreement, just to be crystal clear.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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“Inbox is an email company. Google is an advertising company. This product is our focus, and will not be ‘discontinued’ unexpectedly.” Burn! Very amusing. But for all we know they will be acqui-hired, maybe even by Google, and then shifted to a different project.

I said this in the other thread and I know it sounds cliché, but we're not planning to "go away" or get acquired or something. We've always positioned this company as a long-term play, and made that very clear when hiring, raising money, etc. It's just not possible to go after something big if you plan to "flip" the company quickly.

That's nice but I'm sure many people never plan to cheat on their partner until it happens either. [1]

And I'm sure that when Google was founded it never imagined things it would be doing years later at the expense of some users of it's products.

[1] People cheat of course but also people change over time with how they see the world.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Your claim that your product will not be discontinued is worthless. If you're so sure of that, put your money where your mouth is, and offer an SLA with a contractual minimum duration you promise to keep the service up, and significant monetary penalties if you fail to meet it. Doesn't sound like a good idea? Then shut up.

> Doesn't sound like a good idea? Then shut up. Your comment is needlessly mean-spirited. The top-voted comment on the recent Show HN thread would seem to apply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7984826

It's a fair and honest criticism that has produced interesting conversation. You're being mean-spirited as well, but you think you're exempt. Shove off.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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I'm just citing where I got the 'theory.' The OP of the comment could have made their point just fine without being confrontational or 'angry' as you put it. I don't see why people are defending someone's rudeness, you can get your point across without being a jerk about it.

It's more subtle than that. The 'shut up' detracts from the comment. Being a jerk is bad. But being confrontational is in this case a benefit. The first line is "Your claim that your product will not be discontinued is worthless." This is confrontational in a good way, and this line is not being a jerk. It's pointing out a serious flaw without attacking anyone.

It could be phrased differently still without insinuating that what they say is worthless.

Something like, "How will you back up your claim of the product not being discontinued?" or "What will prevent your product from being discontinued?" Gets the same point across without coming off rude (it may just be me but saying "your claim ... is worthless" seems rude.) The OP of the comment definitely has a good point but it's said in a way that isn't constructive.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Names are always available when you have some money to invest in buying rights and domains.

The name is Inbox App, not Inbox. Nothing special there. I'm willing to bet that they'll have significant problems with the name if they try to call it just "Inbox". First, they didn't even get the inbox.com domain, theirs is inboxapp.com. Second, they don't seem to have a trademark on the product name as "Inbox" and I doubt that they'd get one. Third, their company name is Inbox App, Inc., so it doesn't seem like th…

You are probably right about the company name, but inboxapp.com is still a pretty good domain name. Looking at the whois record for the domain[1] shows that it was registered in 2008. Moreover, archive.org[2] tells us that it was parked at GoDaddy for some time, before they purchased it in 2013. So, they probably invested a bit of money in a good domain name, yes.

[1]: http://whois.domaintools.com/inboxapp.com

[2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20110201102718/http://inboxapp.c...

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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It's not even an argument point, but just being used as a way to call someone a name without owning it.

No it isn't. If I want to call the poster a fuckwad, I'll call him one. The only reason I linked the comic is because it may not be common knowledge to everyone where the 'theory' is from.

You disingenuous bastard: "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory in action"

You seriously don't think you called him a fuckwad?

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