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MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

#11
> But the larger goal with Inbox is not just to offer a suite of developer tools, but to create a new email standard. That means, Grinich says, the company has to provide the fundamental infrastructure as an open source package.

I really am at a loss to think of something that email as a standard (and SMTP as a protocol) is lacking that requires a replacement.

There are a lot of things that I would like from an email client, but almost all of that can be done over IMAP using an MUA, and that would allow interoperability with literally every other email server out there, no matter how old the software is.

Replacing e-mail (and/or SMTP) as we know it would be a change on the order of magnitude of IPv4 → IPv6, in terms of how disruptive it would be to daily operations and how much extra work it would require just to handle the changeover seamlessly.

Unfortunately they don't go into too much detail with what they hope to do[0], so I'm left with no understanding of what they want to do that's so advanced that it requires a new standard altogether.

[0] At first glance, everything they talk about can be done using IMAP and makes more sense to implement client-side than server-side/embedded into the protocol.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

#12
I hope that there will be some standardisation in these efforts. First there was Fastmail's JMAP, then Google's announcement of extending GMail's APIs and now this.

IMAP has a lot of shortcomings, but at least it is a standard.

That said, Inbox' approach seems nice in that it wraps a new API around 'legacy' protocols as well.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

#13
post #6

What I would really love for someone to fix is how slow email is. Why is it so much slower to send an email than an SMS or FB message with the same contents?

There's no free lunch. FB (Or rather, Apple and Google's Push Notification Server they depend on) and SMS are centralized messaging systems and that's why they can be fast, whereas email is decentralized and designed to be "good enough", which makes it slow but as a result has other benefits that centralized messaging systems can't have

I would personally much rather PAY for a centralized system that works better than "good enough".

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

#15

In my opinion, the reason no one add "features" to an email client because it is just as fine as is. Please tell me one thing that a user (power or just every day user) really needs that is not supported by a reasonably recent email client? And no, every few people use emails as a todo list.

Please tell me one thing that a user (power or just every day user) really needs that is not supported by a reasonably recent email client?

Sure, here are some ideas I'd like to see:

- Effortless encryption

- Verified identity

- Pull model rather than push model (like twitter, requires verified identity, would eliminate spam and work for many email addresses which you don't want to be public)

- Attachments which are uploaded once, not duplicated and sent over the network

- Better filtering (this one isn't bad currently, but can always be improved)

- Integration with other forms of messaging

- Better support for public messages like mailing lists or mass mailings, e.g. URIs for messages or parts thereof (attachments etc).

- Single signon (get rid of passwords on websites by producing an email replacement so awesome people use it as a central identity)

...etc. There are plenty of possibilities, and the ones at the top of this list I think would benefit a lot of people and make things like spam a lot harder.

I'm not sure this particular service is going to succeed (it reminds me of app.net in that it targets developers, which is probably a bad idea for mass-market tech), but there are plenty of things we could improve about email and email clients.

Re: MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

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post #10

“Inbox is an email company. Google is an advertising company. This product is our focus, and will not be ‘discontinued’ unexpectedly.” Burn! Very amusing. But for all we know they will be acqui-hired, maybe even by Google, and then shifted to a different project.

Indeed, the probability of this being discontinued, if it follows normal trends, is dramatically higher than pretty much any Google product, and worse the notion that the "product is their focus" is specious: getting investment cash or a buyout is their focus, as it is with virtually all startups.

Moralizing or taking shots at competitors is a dangerous tactic when you live in a glass house.

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