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Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by gitaarik »

KhalPanda wrote: post #45
zorbo wrote: post #34

These alternative shells always get me really excited, until I try them out. Then the drawbacks become immediately and very painfully obvious: - Some are extremely slow, especially those that rely on complete webservers / node.js / whatever as a backend - Memory-hungry. I've got an average of about 30 terminals open at all times. 50 Mb per terminal really is a bit too much. 10 Mb is the upper limit on what a single t…

Wow, an average of 30 terminals at all times? Just out of curiosity... what for exactly? Real-time monitoring?

When you're using tmux or screen this isn't uncommon. I have a screen for each project, in a project I usually have around 5 to 10 tabs, and I have about 5 projects I'm currently working on.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by omaranto »

dheera wrote: post #91

Speaking of shells, I wish there were a shell inspired by python, able to conveniently use python libraries (perhaps even auto-import them), but with the convenience features of common shells. I can never remember the ghastly syntax of bash.

Maybe the now defunct pysh profile of ipython [1] is close to what you want. (It's defunct because it is mostly unneccesary in recent versions of ipython, that page shows how to get most (all?) of the functionality it used to provide.)

For Perl instead of Python there are psh [2] and zoidberg [3].

[1] http://ipython.org/ipython-doc/dev/interactive/shell.html

[2] http://gnp.github.io/psh/

[3] https://github.com/jberger/Zoidberg

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by baweaver »

zorbo wrote: post #34

These alternative shells always get me really excited, until I try them out. Then the drawbacks become immediately and very painfully obvious: - Some are extremely slow, especially those that rely on complete webservers / node.js / whatever as a backend - Memory-hungry. I've got an average of about 30 terminals open at all times. 50 Mb per terminal really is a bit too much. 10 Mb is the upper limit on what a single t…

TMUX is a thing. People should really be using it for this type of workflow considering you can set up environments that don't necessarily have to be running all the time for other projects. This seems far more like a self-inflicted problem than anything.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by omaranto »

lloeki wrote: post #58
leorocky wrote: post #8

I quite like fish and have been using it painlessly for nearly 6 months now. I wish fish included an actual programming language that could replace bash scripts, but the sane advice from fish devs is to use a real programming language instead of bash or another shell script. Other than that I've become quite dependent on the nice autocomplete and suggestions from fish. It just works and I never have to deal with any…

Fish is interesting and grows on you but suffers from a number of showstopper bugs (e.g [0]) that prevent me from using it. [0]: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell/issues/1374

I used fish for several years and fortunately never came across that one. It's pretty awful.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by jgmmo »

jdc0589 wrote: post #94
jgmmo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he does own the IP outright. He negotiated for the right to create side projects and has paperwork to prove it? Or maybe he figures it's his because it's not within the scope of his employment. i.e. -- has nothing to do with banks in and of itself.

> when I was supposed to be doing my job No negotiating your way out of that. I know lots of people have done this type of thing at work, but I guarantee you he didn't have anything in his employment agreement that said "If I dick around instead of working and get paid for it like I was working, everything is fine, don't even worry about it." That's a fire-able offense for any sane employer that doesn't have a 20% ti…

Well I know I negotiate for the right to keep developing my own projects. Also, I work remote, and to me -- time is fungible -- I work nights/weekends etc. So if I work on a fun project 'during the workday' it is still mine, didn't become my employers suddenly, I just have to make up the worktime.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by thinkpad20 »

zorbo wrote: post #34

These alternative shells always get me really excited, until I try them out. Then the drawbacks become immediately and very painfully obvious: - Some are extremely slow, especially those that rely on complete webservers / node.js / whatever as a backend - Memory-hungry. I've got an average of about 30 terminals open at all times. 50 Mb per terminal really is a bit too much. 10 Mb is the upper limit on what a single t…

You have a lot of good points, but this one jumped out at me:

> - Don't work remote. If it doesn't work remotely without installation (and none do), it's pointless to me.

That just sounds like a by-definition dismissal of all shells outside of the few provided by an OS. Having it work remotely is of course essential. But the most talented programmer alive is not going to write a shell that you can use without installing it. :/

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by jebblue »

meowface wrote: post #74
mkl wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always have at least that many too. Not for real-time monitoring, just a large number of projects and threads of thought, many of which last for weeks or months. I do this for everything: I just totalled up all my currently open terminals, browser tabs, documents, etc., and got to over 700, and it's only that low because I've restarted a couple of times recently....

I suffer from the same problem of too many terminal windows and browser tabs, and honestly it doesn't seem to help me much. It just dilutes my attention. I always do a logoff or restart at the end of every day now, and that seems to help a fair bit. To keep track of what I need to do in the short term, I have a simple TODO text file.

Me too! I've been using a plain TODO.txt for years, it's amazingly efficient.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by jcfrei »

xatax wrote: post #86

> “Originally I created Xiki for my own use,” said Muth. “When I was supposed to be doing my boring job as a software dev at banks and insurance companies in Ohio 13 years ago, I started making this thing that let me run commands and navigate files directly from my notes. Ever since then I’ve found myself unable to resist working on it. I use it for everything.” Isn't this a bit concerning? It sounds like this was cr…

I don't like to sound derogatory, but xiki would have to turn into a multi million dollar business before insurance or bank companies would consider any legal action.

Re: Xiki: An amazing shell

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Post by btbuildem »

zorbo wrote: post #34

These alternative shells always get me really excited, until I try them out. Then the drawbacks become immediately and very painfully obvious: - Some are extremely slow, especially those that rely on complete webservers / node.js / whatever as a backend - Memory-hungry. I've got an average of about 30 terminals open at all times. 50 Mb per terminal really is a bit too much. 10 Mb is the upper limit on what a single t…

> as I haven't tried it yet

Maybe it would be prudent to try it first, before commenting..

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