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Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

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Mmmh, coffee. * "Versand innerhalb einer Woche nach Röstung" -- but how long after I order? I'm a spoiled Amazon Prime customer, and I can buy specialty coffee locally at a cafe, and so-so fresh roasted coffee at one of several roasters in my city of ~300k. * The mandatory subscription is more of a hassle for me. I like to buy fresh groceries (and coffee) when I need them. One more thing to worry about when I go trav…

Hey Andor, great points, thanks for the feedback!

1. Yeah, we should make that clearer. We ship every Thursday, I think that's only mentioned in the FAQ currently.

2. You can actually pause your account on your profile page. We're still adding features there, but will add a section explaining the possibilities on the home page soon. We're also not primarily targeting offices, but optimize for ordering coffee to your home.

3. Good catch about the specialty coffee. I'm not sure "Spezialitätenkaffee" is a thing in German though. We tried to use it in a blog post, but people didn't really seem to understand what it's about when asked. Will try to sprinkle it in anyway, I wasn't aware that it's not mentioned on the homepage.

The branding is tricky, indeed. It's probably easier to catch the attention of enthusiasts with the original bags – I do think though that the amount of people that know the specific roasteries is not super big, especially outside of Berlin. On the other side, we really believe that consistency and ubiquity of our brand is important. We might explore that a bit more when adding more roasters.

4. It's a cup of filter coffee :) Maybe it would help to have a Chemex standing next to it to make it clearer. Or instead, a nice flat white with latte art.

5. Yeah, that was a common feedback. We'll experiment with that.

6. They are! And they're great people.

Thanks again! We got some really good feedback on HN today, much appreciated.

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#52
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Hey! In the end of last year I created something like what your doing here (www.hotcoffeeclub.com), also with customers in Germany and also posted it to HN just as you did ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6818369 ), not sure if you saw it at the time. About 8 months in I've definitely learned a bunch and I ultimately decided to stop doing it couple of months ago (the website is not run by me anymore). If you'd…

actually, the email address I found doesn't seem to work anymore – would you mind writing me at hannes@kaffeebitte.com? Thanks!

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#53
Their website is disturbing close to the excellent North America premium coffee service I use, Craft Coffee (@craftcoffee ; https://www.craftcoffee.com/). Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's just the red logo and brown vac bags, but this kind of smacks of that crappy "just different enough to not be infringement" move.

Besides that (and Germans need coffee too!), getting premium coffee delivered is such an amazing thing. I now live in a smaller Canadian city and my fresh roasted, premium coffee options have declined. I've been enjoying Craft Coffee for several months now and not only is the product excellent (I do regular reviews on Twitter, @quinndupont), they are a really great group of people who are always willing to reach out and help or just take suggestions. A start up that actually listens and cares; it's the main reason why I like to support new businesses.

[Edit: one of the best things about Craft Coffee is that they source their fresh-roasted beans from all over North America, so you get the cream of the crop from roasters you'd never be able to enjoy otherwise; you get three different roasters each month.]

And, if you happen to sign up for Craft Coffee (I totally recommend it!), they offer a 15% off coupon code. Look around for a friend's code (they get a free month if you sign up), or (trying not to spam here...) use mine: quinn1922.

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#54
post #41

Hey! In the end of last year I created something like what your doing here (www.hotcoffeeclub.com), also with customers in Germany and also posted it to HN just as you did ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6818369 ), not sure if you saw it at the time. About 8 months in I've definitely learned a bunch and I ultimately decided to stop doing it couple of months ago (the website is not run by me anymore). If you'd…

Hi guico, I'd love to chat if you'd be willing. I'm doing something very, very similar and would love to pick your brain!

I'm dpaola2 [at] gmail if you'd be willing to email me :-)

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#55
post #47

Mmmh, coffee. * "Versand innerhalb einer Woche nach Röstung" -- but how long after I order? I'm a spoiled Amazon Prime customer, and I can buy specialty coffee locally at a cafe, and so-so fresh roasted coffee at one of several roasters in my city of ~300k. * The mandatory subscription is more of a hassle for me. I like to buy fresh groceries (and coffee) when I need them. One more thing to worry about when I go trav…

I hope they provide roast-on dates, otherwise you can basically assume it isn't fresh. With fast logistics and shipping you can get 1-week old roasted coffee from roaster to subscription service to doorstep though (Craft Coffee does this).

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

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I love coffee with a passion! When buying coffee, i usually want to choose the quality/origin, the darkness of the roast and the grind (whole bean or freshly fine-ground).

If i go to $healthfoodstore around the corner i have a variety of high quality, dark roasted whole bean espresso from different regions. I would be tempted to say that the store's prices are almost always lower than your offering and i can smell the 250g bag of bliss before i spend 12eu on it. How do you compete with that? (given that you consider people with my level of coffee-affection your target audience)

Fresh roasted needs to be more than "roasted sometime before we ship it" for me to make a difference.

Offer a subscription, where you put a coffee roaster in my kitchen. Every week you send me $amount of high-quality, well sourced green coffee beans from different regions. I put some of them them in my KBRoaster(tm), push the "dark roast" button, kitchen starts smelling like heaven and only 7 minutes later i enjoy my fresh cup of fresh roasted, fresh ground espresso, directly from a farm on the volcanoes of the guatemalan central highlands! Thanks for the little bag with fermented cacao beans you put into this weeks package together with a note that espresso and pure cacao go well together. If you roast it at your place and ship it dark to me, my kitchen does not smell like heaven in the morning.

Lastly, the grinding process is (imo) where most of the freshness gets lost.[0] Fresh ground is way more important than fresh roasted. Freshl-roasted is only a selling point if you show me that you are actually fresher than $healthfoodstore. Example: provide very fast delivery for the region around your roaster, offering "it's still warm when it arrives" quality.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_roasting#Packaging

  Roasted coffee has an optimal typical shelf life 
  of 2 weeks, and ground coffee about 15 minutes.

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#57

Their website is disturbing close to the excellent North America premium coffee service I use, Craft Coffee (@craftcoffee ; https://www.craftcoffee.com/ ). Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's just the red logo and brown vac bags, but this kind of smacks of that crappy "just different enough to not be infringement" move. Besides that (and Germans need coffee too!), getting premium coffee delivered is such an amazing thi…

See also the UK service Pact: https://www.pactcoffee.com/ This is just another "me too" business, scoop a few beans into a brown paper bag and post it out with a huge margin.

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#59

Their website is disturbing close to the excellent North America premium coffee service I use, Craft Coffee (@craftcoffee ; https://www.craftcoffee.com/ ). Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's just the red logo and brown vac bags, but this kind of smacks of that crappy "just different enough to not be infringement" move. Besides that (and Germans need coffee too!), getting premium coffee delivered is such an amazing thi…

A) I actually thought they ARE the german sibling of craftcoffee, but thanks for the clarification. They indeed look like a copy, but I don't mind that as long it doesn't lack in the execution and quality.

B) Since you seem to be a coffee expert: What sort of coffee has a very low acidic profile, whilst having being strong and aromatic?

C) To use the service you need to own a EUR 1000+ coffee machine, which only rich people have, or am I wrong?

Re: Show HN: Kaffee Bitte, specialty coffee delivery for Germany

#60

I love coffee with a passion! When buying coffee, i usually want to choose the quality/origin, the darkness of the roast and the grind (whole bean or freshly fine-ground). If i go to $healthfoodstore around the corner i have a variety of high quality, dark roasted whole bean espresso from different regions. I would be tempted to say that the store's prices are almost always lower than your offering and i can smell th…

If i go to $healthfoodstore around the corner i have a variety of high quality, dark roasted espresso from different regions. I would be tempted to say that the store's prices are almost always lower than your offering

Good point. The coffee they sell is much more upmarket than what you can get at $healthfoodstore, but the site doesn't make it clear. The beans they use are more expensive, and they are probably roasted more carefully. Grocery store brands typically use an industrial high-volume and high-temperature roasting process, instead of small batches and lower temperatures. If you need 2 tons, would you rather do 100 batches of 20kgs for 20 minutes each, or one large batch in only 10 minutes?

Phoenix Coffee Roasters are transparent about their costs [0], they pay up to 4 times of the regular exchange price for green beans:

We purchased this coffee for USD 10,60 /kg through Nordic Approach. At the same time the stock exchange price for green coffee was 2,50 EUR/kg, for Faire Trade certificated coffee 3,00 EUR/kg. Our production costs (taxes, transportation, packaging, etc.) mount up to 7,50 EUR/kg roasted coffee. Our overall costs are 15,80 EUR/kg, plus labour costs and VAT. (These beans sell for 35.30 EUR/kg)

Maybe a line like "coffee from Germany's best roasters" would make some people interested.

I put some of them them in my KBRoaster(tm), push the "dark roast" button, kitchen starts smelling like heaven and only 7 minutes later i enjoy my fresh cup of fresh roasted, fresh ground espresso

Have you done this before? Your kitchen will smell like hell and your fire alarm might go off ;-) Also, you should wait a few days for the beans to release all the CO2 from roasting.

Roasted coffee has an optimal typical shelf life of 2 weeks

Citation needed :-) I'd say it's best between the second and eight week.

[0] http://www.phoenix-coffeeroasters.com/en/red.html

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